1/3 NLHE 8 handed

Native casino I've never been to. Hustling and bustling on a Tuesday night. Table is the softest I've seen in ages. Everyone but V is loose passive and sticky. A minclick pre is QQ minimum. People are calling off half their stack with J9o on flops like J-7-7 because "even if I'm behind I can hit a straight".

V - only remotely non-drooler. Playing TAG and very ABC up to this hand but not really good TAG, bluffing into stations and stuff, more like training wheels TAG. VPIP 15-20%. 2500$ BB.

H - Have showndown some bluffs and some wide opens. My image to V is reckless. Everyone plays so face up post and the table is so deep Im 3betting pre as wide as QTo, K6s IP. Covers BTN.

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Couple limps to a loose passive in CO who makes it 15, H to 50 with KcKh, V tank cold calls, LP CO tank jams for 281 total (people have been doing this to avoid decisions), Hero?

This deep I am min raising to 512.

I agree w Omahadonk

Could go either way here. Seems like an obvious 5B, but then you're just hoping to hold against the CO. At this depth, a lot of good players just don't have any 5B range IP, amd will just look to play some poker post flop.

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Definitely raising. Min-raise or a little more is fine. I don't want to have to make too many decisions on the turn vs. ATC V could/would call the $281 with. I'm fine if he folds, too, for this pot.

CIB for sure. If we flat and he raises, it would be horrible for us, but if we CIB and he jams we can still get away since no one (esp an ABC type player) bets 800 bb's without aces there. Tanking pre could also be "should I raise him or just flat".

CIB?

My thoughts were:

1. We're super deep, not so deep a 5-bet is mandatory. V isn't calling off 500$ pre with less than QQ, not sure about AK. == less 5-betting

2. Someone has a big A, maybe AA, they both have big hands. Not sure if the tanking was hollywood but my vibe was they were both on their cusp of what to do, so less AA. == more 5-betting

3. My image is dog$h!t to V and if CO is paying attention which is a maybe he'll also think I'm FOS a lot here. I've been raising and rereraising people and having a good ol' time playing super wide especially from the BTN and CO. == more 5-betting.

Result:

Click it back (min raise)

RTS

Re - 5B'ing when super-deep...

Bart Hansen posted this video 2 days ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrx0ktInAB0.

Good breakdown from him and Doug Polk's opponent, Alex, a regular on the Lodge Live Stream. A lot of the discussion centered around how Doug may have been structuring his 5B range.

What's interesting to me about the hand in OP is that we're playing 1/3, super low stakes, but we're insanely deep, playing $2500 eff with one V, but with the main V being short-stacked by comparison, under $300, which is a pretty typical stack size at these stakes.

CO's $15 open is probably standard for this game, but when he's starting with less than $300, it's pretty predictable that if anyone 3B's him, he's going to be in a 4B-jam or fold situation with a lot of his range.

Because so many 4B's at 1/3 are just all-in jams, there's almost no 5B'ing ever at 1/3, which opens up for debate whether or not we should even have a 5B range, and if so, how we'd structure it, and how you'll play the flop when you'll still have like 3 or 4 SPR.

In the Lodge hand, I understand why Doug would 5B when he's OOP, but I think he made a mistake taking the line he did, both by 5B'ing pre, and by c-betting, then barreling off. His opponent Alex was only giving him a range of AA for value, and some suited AX for bluffs. Even if Doug has KK, too, he doesn't need to c-bet OOP, because his value range is so narrow at that point. He can check and see if Alex wants to bet or give up and check back.

Likewise, I'm not sure what hero would accomplish with a 5B when the CO's jam is for almost 6x hero's 3B size. Hero's hand would be insanely face-up at that point. Even flat calling the $280 jam is insanely strong. BB probably isn't over-calling the jam, much less a 5B, with QQ or worse PP's, and probably not AKo. If BB happens to have AA, he can 6B pre, or just flat call, and let hero blast off post-flop.

The stack depths are too deep in both hands to 5B, because we're too deep to jam pre, and too deep to comfortably jam flop. I think flatting the 4B jam was the correct play.

Did you buy-in for 2.5k or sunrun your way to 800 big blinds? If it's door number one, I wonder what made you decide to do this.

What do you do if villain shoves…. 830BB deep?

RTS?

I bought in for 500, lost it to some idiot who then table changed, rebought for 700 (max is 1000) and ran it up to 3.2kish. Gave back about 100-200 before leaving. If the room wasn't' so dirty it would be a 5/5 Google review from me.

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Fold. It would be a huge punt from villain to do this without aces.

Return to sender.

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