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03-15-2021 , 07:37 AM

Perrone66

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1/2 6-handed Weekend afternoon game.

Prior History - V in this hand is the V who I bluffed in a previous post, and who lost a major hand to another player earlier. V prior to a half hour ago had about 600 but is now down to about 125.

Table has been very tight/passive

OTTH - V bets 6 from the B, and H calls with 65dd from the BB. Heads up to the flop.

Flop (12ish)
5hJc4s

XX

Turn (12ish)
5hJc4sQd

H checks, V bets 4 dollars...H makes the call

River (20ish)
5hJc4sQd5c

H leads out for 25, and V snap shoves for 99 total.

H should fold, or due to price/table dynamics this is a snap call?!

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03-15-2021 , 08:21 AM

sauhund

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Leading river is pretty bad imo
c/r much better

as played snap call.

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03-15-2021 , 08:30 AM

QuadJ

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Given your history with this guy it's a snap call. Nothing else to do here unless you have a lot of history from previous games that gives you a read on how he plays tilted. Most tilted players can have hands as weak as JX and will make this silly bad play where they think you are bluffing so they shove.

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03-15-2021 , 10:22 AM

Nippleman

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How is this anything other than a snap call with no flushes or straight draws getting there? Him being tilted makes me even less likely to give him QQ/JJ as I don't see those hands downbetting, especially taking the chance like a card like a K or a 6 shows up on the river, and he gets blown off his set.

Snap calling, high fiving the dealer.

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03-15-2021 , 11:42 AM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by sauhund

Leading river is pretty bad imo
c/r much better

as played snap call.

+1. Please stop doing this against non-passive opponents

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03-15-2021 , 01:09 PM

Nippleman

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

+1. Please stop doing this against non-passive opponents

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Table has been very tight/passive

I think given the description, I don't hate the donk, but I agree with your quote.

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03-15-2021 , 01:20 PM

sauhund

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it´s just the ultra fish line.
I guess we call ott hoping that he doesn´t have value that beats us and on the river all of the sudden we lead out hoping that he did have value to pay us off.
Also it´s just so face up it´s kinda shameful.

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03-15-2021 , 02:04 PM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by sauhund

Yeah like it makes sense to donk river when the river will make someone discouraged to bet (namely the card improves a lot of your range). But unless he is so MUBS that he’s sweating a 5 while holding a strong hand that can’t beat a 5, we need to be inducing bluffs and bets from hands that can call a check jam

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03-15-2021 , 06:56 PM

iraisetoomuch

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Grunch:
Snap the river so fast.

In reality take 5-10s so they think they have FE against you and call.

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03-16-2021 , 09:37 PM

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javi

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wtf, why would you ever consider folding rivered trips?

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03-17-2021 , 12:02 AM

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Dandehaj

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Checking the river is the worst recommendation in this spot against villain. Your risk loosing value against a Q,J or any other pair like 66,77,88,99 etc. If Villain have a set telling him "good hand", reload, and continue playing. With no flush or straight's is an easy call on the river. A tilted player could shove there with a lot of things that Hero is beating.

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03-17-2021 , 02:49 AM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by Dandehaj

Why are you so quick to throw away the parts of his range that is nothing (which will be a lot) and hands that can bet and call and all in that are worse? There’s a lot more ways to have air than TPWK.

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03-17-2021 , 09:48 AM

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Nippleman

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

This is a really weird spot for me. When V bets only 4$ on turn, I just don't seem them blasting off against me on the river. Maybe this is a "know the V" spot for the right choice, but I hate checking the river here. I think when we check raise, sauhund is right and our hand is just shamefully faceup when we take this line, but it would feel so shitty to just get it checked back at us from hands like 7s+ that might take this line

Because this is a thread, I am assuming V shows up here with Q5spades for the blowout, which doesn't change I think anyone's opinion.

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03-17-2021 , 09:51 AM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by Nippleman

I’d much rather let a tilt monkey do what they do best. Which is make more decisions poorly.

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03-17-2021 , 10:14 AM

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Nippleman

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

I’d much rather let a tilt monkey do what they do best. Which is make more decisions poorly.

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Fair and reasonable.

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03-17-2021 , 01:45 PM

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fightingillini

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Originally Posted by Dandehaj

Checking the river is the worst recommendation in this spot against villain.

Disagree.

You think a tilting player is going to check back top pair here? Or second pair? There is no reason for V to believe that Hero has a strong hand. A tilting player is going to bet the same amount as Hero with value as well has all his bluffs. Why risk V folding his air when Hero donks? Hero should check, let V bet, and then CRAI. As played, easy call.

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03-17-2021 , 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fightingillini

Not to mention that when the money goes in, our equity is much better after he bets and calls a raise than it is when we bet and call a raise. Like we lose the same $ to coolers whether we bet call or check raise, win more versus good value and bluffs when we check raise versus bet, and really only maximize against weak showdown by donking.

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03-24-2021 , 06:36 AM

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Davino

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Originally Posted by Nippleman

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03-24-2021 , 11:41 AM

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Nippleman

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