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Rivered TPWK vs Villain Very High W$SD Rivered TPWK vs Villain Very High W$SD

08-03-2020 , 11:38 AM
Villain Stats very relevant, especially postflop:

V26/P18/Ag1/3B 5 / CB 30 (shows a very honest player) / FCB 58
WTSD 33 (high); W$SD 70 (nutted, always?); WWSF 35

350 hands, however, network provides stats, and they converge well, over 14.000 hands, being WTSD 32; W$SD 68. VPIP/PR/3B are close too.


Hero 22/18/7 (25/19/6 at this table).


Arnau33 (BB): 162.78 BB
Scrooge ol McDuck (UTG): 106.08 BB
harbringer (CO): 212.26 BB
Renato_Ricardi (BTN): 17.53 BB
Omandala (SB): 104.64 BB

Omandala posts SB 0.5 BB, Arnau33 posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Scrooge ol McDuck has T Q

Scrooge ol McDuck raises to 2.5 BB, harbringer calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 8 8 2
Scrooge ol McDuck bets 3.25 BB, harbringer calls 3.25 BB

Turn: (13 BB, 2 players) 4
Scrooge ol McDuck bets 6 BB, harbringer calls 6 BB

River: (25 BB, 2 players) Q
Scrooge ol McDuck checks, harbringer bets 12.51 BB,


Given mostly W$SD + CB Stats (irrelevant for this hand, but paints good player profile), not sure he'd even go for thin value, say, with AQc because he is not a good hand-reader, otherwise his W$SD would be much lower.


Is this thought proccess right?
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08-05-2020 , 07:51 AM
I don’t know if you could have played this hand any worse.

You need help!
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08-05-2020 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Pipedreamer101
You need help!
Well, that's excatly why I'm posting hand. Your unintelligent comment certainly doesn't provide any.
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08-06-2020 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by suave-wizard
Well, that's excatly why I'm posting hand. Your unintelligent comment certainly doesn't provide any.

Fold pre
Fold flop
Fold turn
Size down river.
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08-07-2020 , 01:00 PM
Fold pre/thread
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08-12-2020 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pipedreamer101
Fold pre
Fold flop
Fold turn
Size down river.
Flop is probably ok for small cbet against bad hand readers/weaker players but check is better with this combo. You'll have all combos of 99-AA and the last combo of 88, maybe some 89s, 78s, A8s. Definately AKcc, AQcc, AJcc, ATcc so it's a board that probably favors OP but you could probably play this mixed or pure check/pure small cbet. Would actually be curious to see this in PIO to see if I'm wayyy off. It usually favors way more checking than I do in practice.

Preflop though I have no idea why we are opening QTo UTG, what hands are you folding? If you are consistently opening QTo/JTo/KTo UTG you are probably opening wayyy to wide and there is no way you're going to be able to defend profitably against any reasonable 3bet from regs

Definatly size down river as played and pray for a sigh call. He maybe has all combos of AQ available but realistically I bet he folds non AQcc on turn at some frequency so only QQ I'm worried about is QJcc, KQcc, AQcc. I assume he'll raise naked 8 on turn but maybe not. When you check river and he bets half pot with his low agg factor I'm pretty unhappy but probably click call with all his Axcc, suited connector clubs that should be bluffing some I guess.

Last edited by thrasher789; 08-12-2020 at 10:53 PM.
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08-13-2020 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by thrasher789
Flop is probably ok for small cbet against bad hand readers/weaker players but check is better with this combo. You'll have all combos of 99-AA and the last combo of 88, maybe some 89s, 78s, A8s. Definately AKcc, AQcc, AJcc, ATcc so it's a board that probably favors OP but you could probably play this mixed or pure check/pure small cbet. Would actually be curious to see this in PIO to see if I'm wayyy off. It usually favors way more checking than I do in practice.

Preflop though I have no idea why we are opening QTo UTG, what hands are you folding? If you are consistently opening QTo/JTo/KTo UTG you are probably opening wayyy to wide and there is no way you're going to be able to defend profitably against any reasonable 3bet from regs

Definatly size down river as played and pray for a sigh call. He maybe has all combos of AQ available but realistically I bet he folds non AQcc on turn at some frequency so only QQ I'm worried about is QJcc, KQcc, AQcc. I assume he'll raise naked 8 on turn but maybe not. When you check river and he bets half pot with his low agg factor I'm pretty unhappy but probably click call with all his Axcc, suited connector clubs that should be bluffing some I guess.
Thanks for your reply and analysis.

Preflop QTo isn't in my range at all (KQs+ ATs+, some QJs and PP). Table was soft, 5-handed, I wanted to play vs BB IP, who's a big fish. Maybe I should c/f, but I thought I could double-barrel and fold a low PP...?

I think AcQc he'd 3-bet, but again, my open from UTG reps strength.

I folded, but my reads were that I was crushed, given his stats, especially low WWSF. On the other hand, he has a high WTSD which is very incongruent, so I got confused.
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08-14-2020 , 01:20 PM
I think It's pretty tough for stats to be very relevant after a 350 hand sample. Not sure what converging well, over 14.000 hands means though.

In what I'm assuming is a high rake game I wouldnt be looking to expand my utg range to attack bb, you have the jesus seat on him, this is going to be a bit too greedy imo.

Check fold flop, As played I don't understand turn sizing given range you are trying to rep, check fold turn, Don't think this hand is doing anything for us, no club, blocks qhh floats that folds. As played river looks like a pretty clear v bet targetting all those pockets.
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08-14-2020 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LemonsGold
I think It's pretty tough for stats to be very relevant after a 350 hand sample. Not sure what converging well, over 14.000 hands means though.

In what I'm assuming is a high rake game I wouldnt be looking to expand my utg range to attack bb, you have the jesus seat on him, this is going to be a bit too greedy imo.

Check fold flop, As played I don't understand turn sizing given range you are trying to rep, check fold turn, Don't think this hand is doing anything for us, no club, blocks qhh floats that folds. As played river looks like a pretty clear v bet targetting all those pockets.
You're right. Got too greedy, overplayed a clear fold hand.

Cheers.
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