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05-21-2013 , 07:41 PM
I would have called, his aggressive tells are showing you he doesn't want you to call and if you already put him as a bluff in this range, it's a go.
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05-21-2013 , 08:24 PM
grunch

Obviously a tough spot. I doubt any bluffs are in villain's range, so the question is: does he valueshove with worse?

23 is very unlikely.

44, 55, 99, and AA would have to play pretty weirdly to get the river in this way...and yet these are the only hands that villain can have here. 76 worries me the most, but my guess is that he only calls with the 4 sooted combos preflop.

Are you good here 33% of the time? I'm leaning toward a call, but I think it's close.
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05-21-2013 , 08:41 PM
Grunch

So I love love love the way you have played the hand.

Flat calling the river is perfect!!!! Vill 1 has a range primarily made up in bluffs so how can we get value from that range??? Easy answer is we can't. If he had 2 pair we sigh and call ourselves a fish and move on, the best way to get value here is the over call from our third wheel.

Very surprising that he shoves and a gross spot bc the way he has played it 76 is a very real possibility. But its literally the only hand we don't beat. Playing live for a living I have seen many people sit on middle and bottom set till the river to start getting their stacks in. Its a cooler if your beat, but you need to call river bc we do have the effective 2nd nuts.

Well played if you called
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05-21-2013 , 11:58 PM
Definitely raising v1s lead otr. You can get value from 2prs and weaker sets since you rep such a narrow range by raising. AAs are betting turn and AK is never raising otr
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05-22-2013 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Under_the_Radar
It might "sound" like scared money, but its not. You're assumption couldn't be further from the truth.

In fact its the opposite, the comment was based on a [proven] long-term winning strategy. In nut shell, A) you don't have to get involved w/ every little conflict that comes up at the poker table, B) sometimes its better to fold and choose your battle a different time.

And playing for stacks does matter in the real world. Goofy players make goofy bets and goofy plays, I don't care who you are -in a live game its imposible to figure out anything that makes since aginst a goofy player in real time....they're just goofy and do goofy things. And because of there goofy plays that don't make since, often times you'll have plenty of more opportunity to clip them in future hands, a piece at a time...and not set yourself up in a situation where you're "guessing" if youre hand is good or not when playing for the whole stack.

Of course now we know it was set-over-set, its easy to speculate after the fact and not in real time sitting in a live game. I would have folded. I don't play 100% perfect poker, however if a "mistake" like this was the *only* mistake I made in a session I'd consider it fairly small.
Wow so you think folding the best hand in a $2500 pot is a small mistake? Folding the best hand here would be one of the biggest mistakes you can make in poker. If you find yourself folding to worse hands in this situation that is a massive leak and it will be impossible to be profitable. It would be different if this was heads up on the river and he shoves over a $200 bet for 1k, but you are getting 2:1 here, you really need to fully think through the hand and consider every possibility before making a decision.

This is definitely not one of the cases where one can afford to simply fold in hopes of finding a better spot. There are already nearly 100bb invested, you have to think you are most likely behind to fold.
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05-22-2013 , 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by fogodchao
Definitely raising v1s lead otr. You can get value from 2prs and weaker sets since you rep such a narrow range by raising. AAs are betting turn and AK is never raising otr
I think it would be very close but I might shove in a HU situation against Villain 1. But he has so many bluffs in his range and he is good enough to fold any 2pair here. Therefore his calling range is very narrow and we might get called only by better hands except 44 and 55 (as seen in the results he folded 44).

But with Villain 2 still to act it is way more profitable getting an addiditional caller of the 260. He might call here with AK and any 2pair. Therefore he will call way more often then V1 will call my shove (and wake up with better).

But I appreciate any other logic. I might miss something.
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05-22-2013 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by surfbuddha
I think it would be very close but I might shove in a HU situation against Villain 1. But he has so many bluffs in his range and he is good enough to fold any 2pair here. Therefore his calling range is very narrow and we might get called only by better hands except 44 and 55 (as seen in the results he folded 44).

But with Villain 2 still to act it is way more profitable getting an addiditional caller of the 260. He might call here with AK and any 2pair. Therefore he will call way more often then V1 will call my shove (and wake up with better).

But I appreciate any other logic. I might miss something.
If he shows you 44 I would believe the dbag, but if he didn't I highly doubt him folding 44 here. I rarely believe people when they say stuff like this without shooting their hand.
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