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08-06-2022 , 08:00 AM

Scroogemcducky

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Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 276

MP opens 5bb (150bb)
HJ calls (100bb)
Hero on button 3B AKo to 25bb ( 350bb)
HJ calls

HJ is older reg player who is down for the session

Flop JJ10hcd (57bb)
check
check

Turn JJ10 hcd 10 h (57bb)

check check

River JJ1010hcdh kc (57bb)

HJ bets 50bb
hero ?

would this be a spot to just fold to do we have to call here ? I can beat hands that are 99 or lower but lose to any Jx 10X or AQ

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08-06-2022 , 09:40 AM

davomalvolio

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On this board unfortunately your hand is just a bluff-catcherÂ—youÂ’re near the bottom of your range. ItÂ’s a fold. Wait until you have a full house and can beat some of his value bets.

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08-06-2022 , 09:52 AM

slyless

Hand Evaluation Expert

Join Date: Dec 2021 Posts: 2,336

I think we have a call here.

We can remove some of the strong hands from Villain's range after checking the turn, giving us enough equity to call.

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Plus he can have some bluffs.

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08-06-2022 , 10:13 AM

Scroogemcducky

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Originally Posted by slyless

I think we have a call here.

We can remove some of the strong hands from Villain's range after checking the turn, giving us enough equity to call.

Spoiler:

Plus he can have some bluffs.

Yeah I called since he maybe trying to bluff with 55-99 etc or maybe has KQ and thinks there good

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08-06-2022 , 10:13 AM

Scroogemcducky

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Originally Posted by davomalvolio

On this board unfortunately your hand is just a bluff-catcherÂ—youÂ’re near the bottom of your range. ItÂ’s a fold. Wait until you have a full house and can beat some of his value bets.

So in this spot what are you calling with ?

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08-06-2022 , 10:24 AM

farklesnotsky

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Unfortunately, your passivity on the flop and turn may have induced him to think that a hand of his that you can beat, such as KQ or 99, is actually good. Plus, he could certainly be bluffing, for the same reason. So I think you have to call, given that his value bets+bluffs will probably add up to 1/3 of the time overall, and you're getting roughly 2:1.

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08-06-2022 , 10:48 AM

davomalvolio

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Originally Posted by Scroogemcducky

So in this spot what are you calling with ?

Just the full houses (and obviously raising KK or KJ or quads). I'd be more likely to call with the Q9 straight than I would with the AQ straight, though (due to removal effects), but I'm folding them both the majority of the time.

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08-06-2022 , 10:50 AM

davomalvolio

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Originally Posted by farklesnotsky

99 is a bluff on this board, V would be playing the board with 99 on KJJTT.

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