1/3 $1.1k effective. im doing my usual thing which is being a nit.

middle aged gent opens $15, 3 callers, i $75 OTB with AsKc, opener folds, other callers call pot $300

flop Kh8x2x rainbow, checked me me i bet $100, first cold caller calls, others fold pot $500. im not sure if i like this bet or not, maybe checking is better. anyways...

turn Ah he checks i check. i dont see what i get value from here so i decide to trap because i think Kx folds to a bet and sets stack me.

river Th. he shoves all in $600 after like 5 seconds.

i sneak a glance his way and he looks at me briefly then looks the other way. looks strong to me. villain is in his 20s.

call or fold?

Do you mean 2 callers in between? Raiser +3 callers + you would be 5 to the flop and $375 pot.

Id 3 bet bigger with 3 callers in the middle, maybe to $100. Maybe even bigger if you think these guys never fold (and considering nobody folded to $75 that may be the case)

As played, i dont think theres anything terribly wrong with checking the flop back, youre basically giving rando PPs a draw to their 2 outer. Im fine with betting too.

As played im never folding, even though its 88/22 pretty often. Maybe I should but im just not folding top 2 with an SPR of like 3 otf.

Shoving turn is good but maybe betting 200 is better. Never folding river.

I would bet the turn to deny a free card and charge the draw. Idk on the river. V could have not only 22 and 88 but also QJ and many two hearts. Your hand is a bluff catcher. Few players make massive river bluffs in my cardroom. So unless I have a read, I’m making a nitty fold.

I would bet the turn for sure for like 200-300. They will call with lots of back door stuff that just picked up more equity and there is A8 and A2 in there you are stacking.

Im calling vs river jam with top 2 and folding worse 2 pair. I see people make this upfront jam all the time because they dont want to face a river bet w a mediocre hand so they just jam to eliminate that decision in their minds. I saw a guy do it last night with top pair no kicker on a 4 straight 4 flush board.

I'd fold KT here but calling w AK since we beat all his 2 pair hands plus random stuff double flatter shows up with.

I bet the turn. Especially because the SPR is close to one and you can easily get the rest in on the river.

I doubt he has QJ, so this is only 22 and 88. But he could have KT or something random. Could potentially have AK as well.

I call and reload if needed. You don’t need to be good here all that often for it to be +EV

Grunch:

Raise bigger pre. At least $90, if not $105. It's low stakes but we're deep, we're IP, and we've got loose action with all these flat callers. Gotta clean up some equity, and we don't mind taking the pot down pre flop.

1/3 pot bet on flop seems fine. I don't think he has sets on the flop when he doesn't check raise. I think he might also have AK.

Turn is a tough decision. I don't like giving a free card, but I agree I'm not sure what hands call. This guy double flatted pre, so his range is pretty collapsed. Maybe he gets here with A8/A2? It would be really ambitious for him to arrive with a heart flush draw.

As much as I hate giving free cards, I think I can get on board with the slow play here. We might induce him to stab on the river, or call us down wide.

River seems like he's trying to rep a straight or a flush, and fold out QQ/JJ, but that doesn't make a lot of sense, because those hands double block what he's trying to rep.

The only value hand that sort of makes sense here is TT, but I'd have thought V would have 3B that pre, at this stack depth, if he's any kind of player.

I dunno. This seems like a really under-bluffed spot, but I'm not buying that he has a straight or a flush. He might be unintentionally turning A8/A2/AT/KT/T8 into a bluff, or betting AK for value, and we're just chopping.

If he gets here with a set, a straight, or a flush, I think we may just have to pay him off.

Call.

ETA - I don't think it's consistent to think he'd 3B TT pre but not AK, so I guess he can get here with either hand, as played.

But also, when we check back turn, we're inducing a river bluff, so I do think we need to call.

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the only thing was i thinking was that because the top card (K) wasnt a heart, he could have Khxh.

sorry i made an error in my post. the top card K was not a heart. i apologize for screwing up responses.

Okay, so that does change things a bit, and does make it more likely he has a flush here. In that case, I would rather make a big turn bet. Probably an over-bet at this depth.

I don't think V is check-calling flop AND checking turn with a set when the Ah appears. If he flopped a set, he'd want to fast-play it by donking flop (we see more donks with think value when it's multi-way), or check-raising flop. If he decided to slow-play a set on the flop, he might donk big on the turn, to get value from AK.

On the turn, I'd be giving him a lot of KX. I don't want to give KXhh a free card. If KX over-folds to a big turn bet, so be it. If we over-bet turn, and he calls, we'll have to fold if he jams turn on another h, or check back if he checks to us. I think I might even check back on a brick, because at that point, it would be really hard to get called by worse.

Post makes me think of this (sorry for self-quoting):
Against a GOOD player, who saw you 3-bet big preflop then bet into 3 players on the flop, we would know that a shove in the River means either he can beat AK or he’s bluffing—that is, the only hands he can shove for value are hands that can beat AKA (sets or flushes).

But at $1-$3? Well now we have to consider whether he’s dumb enough to say “Oooh, T8 got there on the River, time to shove!” because he’s simply not thinking about “what hands am I beating that can call this shove?”

So it’s hard. I’m never folding here because V is obviously bad and therefore CAN show up here with KT or T8 or A8 or A2 or AQ (in addition to his bluffs).

We can fold our pure bluff-catchers (when you wind up here with like KQ or JJ or something), but when you’re in a spot where you’re also beating medium-strength hands that bad players could stupidly shove for value, you gotta stick it in.

Not betting turn isn't great, sorry. Not saying you need to overbet it, but giving a free card ain't great. We've top two, and everyone thinks (because of your image) that you have what you have. Which means we've a problem if they raise, but let's cross that bridge when we get to it.

Agreed on more pf, though we've position, if we're going to be this concerned about set-mining.

There's quite a few KxHH combos (even with the 10 coming off), V can have here. V knows you've AK (which a lot of people will sigh-call anyway) and he still sticks it in? Then looks away when you look at him, staring off in a corner and not moving??

Yeah, he has it. Fold.
Edit: I'm on Team Call-Off-Mr 53, but I'm saying fold here.

Although...if most OMC's bet AK on the turn when it makes 2P, and you didn't, but V open shoves river when the flush comes in, just what in the F is V scared of?? That you won't bet river with your 99 or whatever?

Why open-shove over pot, if it's for value? Why not just flick in 200-300? Give the OMC something to call with K-high.

I didn't realize I was this much of a calling station. Changed my mind, call.

(Though that, "Look away and stare off into the corner, like it's a contest", shtick, is soooo often the nuts.)

I may have misunderstood the correction. The Kh is not on board. But did the flush draw get there on the river?

I think OP's correction that the K on board was NOT the Kh changes everything, if the flush got there. When opponents take a check-check-jam line, it's usually with a pretty nutted hand.

V is jamming $600 into $500. It's only a 1.2x over-bet, which isn't crazy large. He may not realize how much is in the pot. I'd be hesitant to call here with just top 2.

backdoor flush got there on the river. the Kh is not on board. i dont have a heart either.

clear jam on the turn given spr. more on flop. river, i dunno, maybe fold. villain doesn't have any natural bluffs, so we're what hoping he peeled 8x and is turning it into a river jam?

result: i fold face up and he didnt show. he looked fairly surprised. idk what he had.

realizing i put a target on my back by folding face up i left shortly after.

If he didn't show, obviously you made a good fold. If I'm V and had a worse hand, 100% I'm showing you when you muck face up. Windmilling it right at you.

I don't worry about opponents using a face up hero fold for a future exploit at 1/3. I think it's more likely to make opponents second guess themselves before getting involved in a pot with me, if I look like a super-reader.

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The king not being a heart changes the entire hand, now it’s easy to have the nuts and they all play this way.

Check-call check-check bet- (whether jam or otherwise) is often bluff heavy.

Hand is played fine. Small flop bet is good, I don't hate a check from time to time either. Turn again this feels like it can happily go either way; you're indeed unlikely to get many worse hands to call.

I'm still slightly confused by the suits...was the turn card making a total rainbow then? In that case the river suit would be irrelevant. If there was a front door flush draw which bricked then there may be more bluffs, but either way unless you think he's bluffing loads of Kx here then this does feel like a fold

The kh was not on board and backdoor hearts got there

bart hanson says bet the turn $150. i think that was hero's error.

Did you do the call in show or are you a subscriber there?

I would bet the turn and you should call the river, you checked the turn so maybe he decided to take advantage of your weakness and jammed but for crying out loud if I said it once I said it a thousands times don't fold face up unless your doing it for a specific meta game reason because the quiet players at the table who are noticing these things (especially me) now know you're very easy to bluff when flushes/straights complete.

did the call in show. i was the first caller. my audio sucked so i guess thats the last time i call in, lol.