Villain is a white male guessing Croatian maybe a contractor. We’ve had 2 prior sessions. Loose slightly aggro willing to gamble but not stupid. We had a night where we agreed to do $100 blind all ins if table folds to us. Never happened but we both did small blind raises for fun that night.
This night i have been raising and 3betting him a few times as I am on his left with 1 person in between
The hand.
Stack size 650 I cover. 7 handed.
Hero CO Jd10d
Villain utg+1
Utg limps v raises to 10 hero 3b to $35 folds to v who calls
Flop Ad Kd 8s
V checks hero bets $50 v calls
Turn is the 5d
V checks hero bets $125 v calls
River 9s
V checks hero? Villain has around pot size bet left.
Pot approx. 420-430.
Is this a trivial all in? Any other viable sizing?
Given the Villains described playstyle I do not think he is ever folding to this sizing pre. I would either go bigger or not 3b at all. I also agree that 3 betting JTs is too good of a hand to use as a bluff but not good enough to extract value in the longterm.
In the hand I actually miscalculated size of pot on river and thought it was 300ish and end up betting 300 and got called pretty quickly. V inadvertently flashed a K and mentioned needed board to pair so possibly KKs. Slightly annoyed I can’t do math seeing if there’s a world where 300 is the right sizing lol.
Interesting I got feedback on pf that I didn’t even think might be a leak. Thanks all!
Answer to most 3-betting vs most players is more merged/value (they call too much vs 3b and dont fold enough postso we adjust by 3betting mostly strong hands like KQs/AJs/A10s/AQ not jack high)
With how deep we are, and our history with V, I'm taking a linear 3bet strategy in this spot preflop. {99+, AJ+, KQ, ATs} looks reasonable to me. I don't really mind JTs as a 3bet if he just flats a ton & folds a lot of flops.
This runout is actually kind of interesting. With the Ad & Kd on board, it's very hard for our 3bet range to have a flush, obviously. Along with that, it doesn't seem too difficult for him to have a flush, either. 98, 97, 87, 86, 76, 64, 43 of diamonds are all somewhat possible, along with Q9dd for seemingly the only hand we should lose here to. I think he'll have a lot of difficulty folding a flush if we just shove, he'll likely talk himself into us having AA/KK/AK and calling it.
Without a flush, he's probably going to have difficulty calling a reasonable sized bet ($250+) with any other hand, including if he played AK or 88 this way. So I'm probably just going to go for all of it, knowing hands like 2pr or flopped sets are probably hero calls no matter the amount we bet.
If PF is standard for you, you’re going to go broke very quickly 3betting light
When I say std I don’t mean 100% but rather a mixed strat. I use to mix by suits but now I adjust mostly by situation like position and villain and stack size.
I defaulted to a mixed strat here because of unclear FE and 4b tendency. I see him as a weak opponent with fairly deep stacks. Because it’s 7 handed I treated his open as a MP open. In this hand if he indeed had KK I’m not sure if he had much of a 4b range except for AA and sometimes KK. Knowing this polar strat is prob bad. Linear like someone else suggested makes sense. I do find myself 3bing lighter in CO vs late(ish) opens If button and some level the blinds are not tough. I’m genuinely surprised to find this open to be a pretty clear mistake by most. I will def look into this further.
Not a fan of a shove OTR...what do you get called by? I would size small like 175 to get crying calls from AJ, AQd, A9d, etc.
Not buying V had KK. Unlikely he flats pre....and more unlikely that he doesn't raise that board flop or turn.
You say V is pretty loose, so more likely had a hand that backed into 2p like K9d, 8d9x
Interesting. PF I just assumed it was standard given stack size and position and wanting to play headsup vs villain. Would you elaborate pf decision?
Villain is UTG+1 and UTG has limped, so he's going to have some sort of hand. More than half of the table is yet to act. Threebetting JTs suggests your 3b% in this spot is something like 10%, which is just way too aggressive. If you want to light threebet in this spot, which you probably don't much, you're better off with suited aces, that way you have a blocker and have outs against ~everything. Suited connectors are in general nowhere near as strong as people think they are in loose games.
Put it this way, JTs ought to be near the bottom of your open raise range in this position, and here you are threebetting it against an EP raise.
Villain is UTG+1 and UTG has limped, so he's going to have some sort of hand. More than half of the table is yet to act. Threebetting JTs suggests your 3b% in this spot is something like 10%, which is just way too aggressive. If you want to light threebet in this spot, which you probably don't much, you're better off with suited aces, that way you have a blocker and have outs against ~everything. Suited connectors are in general nowhere near as strong as people think they are in loose games.
Put it this way, JTs ought to be near the bottom of your open raise range in this position, and here you are threebetting it against an EP raise.
Thanks good point I think in broader sense my CO iso range here is prob too wide due to over adjusting to weaker deepish stacks limping/weakish open. Your point about J10s being bottom of my range leads me to think I need a clearer game plan in these spots and rely less on on the spot intuition.
Oh I didn't notice it's 7 handed, 3betting is more reasonable there, probably still slightly too aggro though. If it was like folds to villain who is in the HJ and raises, 3b should be fine.
