Hand review. Looking for max value on river.

HERO BB with 3s 6s. 4 limpers and SB completes.. To me... Check.

Flop Td 2s 4c .

Sb ($100) checks.
Hero ($200)leads for $6.
Folded around to SB who calls

Turn 3d

Villain checks
Hero checks

River 5c

Villan leads for $10 ($82 remaining in his stack).

I figure I am surely ahead here. He either has trips or the wheel. If he has the wheel, he might call it all off.

Sizing on river????

Please check out my thread for my quest
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...l#post46585239

He has random two pair hands more often than sets. It's really difficult to have a set.

Shove all-in.

Agree with you about the wheel - flopped gut shots A3, A5, flop pairs AT, A2, A4, and other Ax peels.

I would target Ax at the expense of losing value against worse made hands.

First of all... how about pot size and blinds? How do you ever make any decisions without first counting the pot? smh...

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I dislike your flop bet, OOP with a gutter.

But since you're now HU OTT, with 1P+GS, I barrel the turn for 1/4 pot, which trivially sets up a river shove, given stacks effective.

As played, OTR, pot it. IMO, shove isn't getting called much unless he has the very top of his range, which is 76, BTW.

I don't think a wheel will call it off so easy. He would be worried about the 6.

raise/call 35 he might just stick it in anyway

I do this a high percentage of time with almost any piece on this board texture. I find it very effective in passive games.

It will take down the pot a high percentage of the time immediately. When it doesn't I can usually evaluate and barrel good turns or shut down if needed.

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But since you're now HU OTT, with 1P+GS, I barrel the turn for 1/4 pot, which trivially sets up a river shove, given stacks effective.
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I like this plan better than mine.

I like this plan but lets change the river card and see what HERO should do then.......

Ace?

3?

Jack?

^ well said sir.

Obviously totally disagree that V folds everything except for 76.

If that was the case, you would just print money bluffing at 1/2. And you don't.

Also, you almost always have the best hand. Peeling the flop with 76 would be bizarre.

I think anything less than a shove is clearly losing value.

He folds X% of the time to a raise to say $40 and Y% of the time to say all-in $82. Do the math and make your assumptions, but I don't think X% and Y% are THAT different such that a lesser raise is going to be better.

Ace./J check-back or call with sdv.

3... You've set up the river shove...

BTW... You say he has either trips or a wheel... IMO, normal V range much wider.

Pot is 4 bb.

I'll just see if I can take a free/cheap turn.

#positionsux

If you bet 1/4pot on the turn you wouldn't be getting odds to call a shove. Bet-folding the turn would have (and usually is) a huge disaster in a situation like this.

Never do that! You might as well bring cash and a match to the poker table.

1. Your hand is way too strong and has way too many outs to bet-fold. On the flop of course your hand is an easy bet-fold
2. The turn is an absolute non-scary blank to the Villain
3. You'll be getting zero folds with a 1/4 pot bet

Why in the world do you like that horrible "plan"?

I just can't see V calling a shove with worse when it's such a huge over-bet. If hero gets the impression he will, shove. If not, bet/call $30-$40.

hmmm....

How many outs does Hero have OTT?

-- 3 clean outs that gives hero the 2nd best straight
-- 1 dirty 5 that comletes the BDFD
-- 2 clean outs for trip-3's (are you willing to stack off with trips in this spot?)
-- 2 dirty outs for 2pair which also completes a 1-liner to a straight
-- 1 dirty out for 2pair that completes the BDFD and completes the 1-liner to a straight

At best, this is 9 outs with 1 card to come. In reality, its like 5+ outs when you take into account the dirty outs.

Hero's hand is definitely not, "way too strong".

You actually do get folds OTT when V doesn't improve -- which this turn likely does not improve V. Happens all the time. Its why people fire the 2nd barrel. Its not only about the card being non-scary, it also can be non-improving.

Given my line is, "horrible", how about proposing a better one?

I'm not betting the turn to set up a river shove.

Why would we? I'm not expecting to want to get all-in on the river.

We only river the virtual nuts like 8% of the time.

What is this ? 1c/2c game?

without villain read,hero image & table dynamics, its difficult to answer.