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03-16-2021 , 02:11 PM
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Javanewt
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
My bad, I didn't realize our plan was to stack this guy with a pair of fives UI OOP when he bets into eleventeen people on the flop and continues on later streets.

Gitsgoodtohaveaplanbutbettertohaveaplanthatisgood, imoG
Come on, gg, the guy called down with Q high and no pair and bet w/ AK and no pair. Play the player.
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03-16-2021 , 02:26 PM
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There are 4 other players who presumably also saw him call down with Q6 high. Assuming he is clicking random buttons all over the place we should fold here as the others are likely to be trapping. Additionally, I see no reason to gii with MPNK even vs this guy. If we are chasing a 5 outer we are not making a profit.

There will be plenty of opportunities vs this guy
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03-16-2021 , 02:37 PM
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Come on, gg, the guy called down with Q high and no pair and bet w/ AK and no pair. Play the player.
OP will have to clarify, but in one hand it sounds like he was simply calling with junk Q6 (attempting to hit a pair, which is much different than betting it 6way) and in another hand it sounds like he put in multiple bets himself with at least the nut no-pair (and it isn't clear whether he did that multiway). So what, our plan is to hope he's overvalueing AQ and betting it 6way this time and we're just going to call down UI (if it even does get HU)? And then on top of that we're planning on intentionally leaving money on the table due to some sense of not wanting to offend him off the table?

GhateseverysinglepartofourplanG
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03-16-2021 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
OP will have to clarify, but in one hand it sounds like he was simply calling with junk Q6 (attempting to hit a pair, which is much different than betting it 6way) and in another hand it sounds like he put in multiple bets himself with at least the nut no-pair (and it isn't clear whether he did that multiway). So what, our plan is to hope he's overvalueing AQ and betting it 6way this time and we're just going to call down UI (if it even does get HU)? And then on top of that we're planning on intentionally leaving money on the table due to some sense of not wanting to offend him off the table?

GhateseverysinglepartofourplanG
My take is this player is closer to a bot that plays any two cards, and randomly checks/bets regardless of flop, vs closer than any other type of player we may have come up against in the past.

If that is the case, sure I'm calling down my pairs (which may be only close to 50/50), but it's way profitable because I'm making way more when I hit.
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03-16-2021 , 04:28 PM
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He called turn and RIVER with Q6 no pair. No "details" on AK hand, but he was betting and getting called and kept betting, apparently until river.

That's enough info for me to call with a pair of 5s after everyone else checks. There is no reason for other players to try to "trap" someone who calls down w/ Q high, so I'm not too worried about them. As stated, if they decide to come along, the plan changes.

I'm betting $50 on the river because I don't want to scare him. Amazing how many people I play with will call there with top pair but will fold for their stack. This guy might call w/ A high.
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03-16-2021 , 04:41 PM
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OP will have to clarify, but in one hand it sounds like he was simply calling with junk Q6 (attempting to hit a pair, which is much different than betting it 6way) and in another hand it sounds like he put in multiple bets himself with at least the nut no-pair (and it isn't clear whether he did that multiway). So what, our plan is to hope he's overvalueing AQ and betting it 6way this time and we're just going to call down UI (if it even does get HU)? And then on top of that we're planning on intentionally leaving money on the table due to some sense of not wanting to offend him off the table?

GhateseverysinglepartofourplanG
I know you like to take your parting shot in your sig, but this is an OOP hand. Just leave it as fold pre, and we can all pretend the rest of your objection is RIO outpace IO, OOP is bad against better player.
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