BB ($400): is the table mark, he know's i'm a lagy player and we have recent history where he c/c me on three streets on a dry board. In this session he's been playing something like 70/10. His post flop tendencies are to slow play TPTK type hands, c/r TPMK and mid pairs. In addition, he also leads out flop with mid pairs and draws hoping to see a cheap show down. Over all he's very very exploitable and wants to bust hero.

UTG ($650): is relatively tight passive, C/C all draws and takes one stab if shown weakness. He's ABC for the most part and has atleast a C-Bet in him if he raised PF.

Hero HJ ($200): has been a TAG this session (made a bad call about an hoir prior to this hand, so i've tightened up).

UTG limps, one other limps, hero makes it $12 with 8dQd, BB calls, UTG calls and the other guy folds.

Flop ($39): 8h 3d 4d
BB checks, UTG checks, hero bets $20.
I made it $20 in order to get calls from both players even with 4x or 3x. Obviously 8x, SD/FD are calling. BB calls, and UTG folds.

Turn ($79): 4s
BB checks. Def thought BB had a hand he wanted to go to SD with (minimum?) by calling my cbet with UTG left to act. He'll also c/c with any 8x, FD/SD. I've discounted over pairs as he'll c/r those sometimes on the flop.

Hero bets $35 and BB calls. After this call his range is mostly weighted towards FD/SD and 8x. 4x would c/r for value, and 55, 66, 77 would fold.

River ($149): Jd
villain leads for $60. Hero has $133.

Hero?? We're getting about 3.5:1 on a call.

Call. Why is this posted? Did you really consider folding?

This is a call. Sorry you lost to Axd.

bet more one the turn make him pay more to hit his draw next time but you cant fold

given your table image and your current stack size i don't like a raise pre flop since it won't be given much credit and it will be hard to take down with a cbet based on villains. Also a chance you won't have position if someone flats behind.

I would make my raise closer to 14-16 to really try and get HU.

Flop bet could be a 2/3psb since if they're calling 20 they're almost certainly calling 30. If there are plenty of 3x and 4x in villains ranges then this sounds like a great game.

After villains call I don't mind a check to avoid value owning ourself, as well as avoiding a c/r since he would almost always do this with a 4 or any slow played monster on the flop, and take the free card to the river. This allows you to value bet thinner if river is safe and villains checks again. Also gives you a chance to hit your d or a q if villain has you out kicked.

AP call river no questions asked

Thank you for some good input.

It's posted for input, and a possible way to improve my future play in similiar spots. Yes this is a call closer to 100% of the time, but there are spots where this is also a fold.... I'm sorry i'm not on your level where this is a snap call??

Previous history you said V c/c you for three streets on a dry board but neglected to tell us what happened. Did you value bet a set for 3 streets and V called with A high? Were you bluffing and he called down with bottom pair? I think this is relevant for the discussion.

I can't decide if I like the flop bet or not. If both villains really will call you with 3x or 4x a lot then I guess its ok, but I think I like betting $30 and taking one V to the turn instead of $20 to try to get both.

On turn I think this bet HAS to be bigger. You're ahead of a lot of villain's range and its time to start getting value. I think turn has to be at least $55 and probably closer to $60-65.

River is a call. While both Ax and Kx are in villains range so is almost every other FD. If you think villain calls off with any flush here you could almost shove, but I think you're just value owning yourself a lot of the time with that so I call the $60 and reload when villain happens to have the bigger flush

If river wasn't Jd but a lower diamond or K or A of d, I could get behind a river shove. As played, no way we can fold river or "get away" so easy call.