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02-18-2023 , 06:00 AM
7 handed. 1/1

Hero opens UTG +1 910dd (200)
BTN raise to 12bb covers
Hero calls

BTN is a good reg

Flops 910Ahhs 26bb
Checks through

Turn 910Ahhs 4c (26bb)
Hero bets 15
BTN calls

River 910A4hhsc 8h (56bb)
Hero checks
BTN bets 25

Should we be bet folding river to raise ? Or check calling river
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02-18-2023 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Scroogemcducky
7 handed. 1/1



Hero opens UTG +1 910dd (200)

BTN raise to 12bb covers

Hero calls



BTN is a good reg



Flops 910Ahhs 26bb

Checks through



Turn 910Ahhs 4c (26bb)

Hero bets 15

BTN calls



River 910A4hhsc 8h (56bb)

Hero checks

BTN bets 25



Should we be bet folding river to raise ? Or check calling river
Couple of things. Dig the bb pot format. When notating your cards 10=T and put the suits next to the cards and for extra credit the flop should be descending so your board should look like this: AsTh9h4c8h ... much easier to read. And you'll get more responses.

I like the hand. I think versus this player if you're raising otr you're turning your hand into a bluff ... not good. If you bet you can get called by worse yes but you're just as likely to get bluff raised as this is a prime board for a reg to bluff at when you cbet the river. So I think the best option is to bluff catch. Is 2p good enough to pick off a massive raise from a reg of this nature when you bet and he raises? Lets say you had tpgk... you could just check call because that's tough to pick off. But with 2p you might be able to call off his bluff raise so versus a reg otr depending on the strength of your hand you can either check call or bet call. Either way you're going to showdown versus this guy.

If he were a fish or passive I would bet fold. This is because it's the opposite of the reg where if you check they are probably checking back their sdv calling hands but calling your bet and only raising for value. So you're betting for value and folding exploitably versus the fish.

Last edited by nonsimplesimon; 02-18-2023 at 10:46 AM.
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02-18-2023 , 10:38 AM
I would bet river, he shouldn’t have many flushes and straights.
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02-18-2023 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
I would bet river, he shouldn’t have many flushes and straights.
What sizing would you use on this river
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02-18-2023 , 12:04 PM
Half pot seems fine, block is ok too.
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02-18-2023 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
Couple of things. Dig the bb pot format. When notating your cards 10=T and put the suits next to the cards and for extra credit the flop should be descending so your board should look like this: AsTh9h4c8h ... much easier to read. And you'll get more responses.

I like the hand. I think versus this player if you're raising otr you're turning your hand into a bluff ... not good. If you bet you can get called by worse yes but you're just as likely to get bluff raised as this is a prime board for a reg to bluff at when you cbet the river. So I think the best option is to bluff catch. Is 2p good enough to pick off a massive raise from a reg of this nature when you bet and he raises? Lets say you had tpgk... you could just check call because that's tough to pick off. But with 2p you might be able to call off his bluff raise so versus a reg otr depending on the strength of your hand you can either check call or bet call. Either way you're going to showdown versus this guy.

If he were a fish or passive I would bet fold. This is because it's the opposite of the reg where if you check they are probably checking back their sdv calling hands but calling your bet and only raising for value. So you're betting for value and folding exploitably versus the fish.
Thanks for the advice. I do prefer BB format too. The suits are next to the cards. I can start to put the flop in descending order if that will help.
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02-18-2023 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Scroogemcducky
Thanks for the advice. I do prefer BB format too. The suits are next to the cards. I can start to put the flop in descending order if that will help.
He means AhTh9s instead of of AT9hhs

Just easier to read.
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02-18-2023 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by fatmanonguitar
He means AhTh9s instead of of AT9hhs

Just easier to read.
Ahh I see that’s no problem can do that
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02-18-2023 , 08:10 PM
Bet river for value as played.
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02-19-2023 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Bet river for value as played.
What sizing would you use
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02-19-2023 , 06:16 AM
I'd overbet turn around 40BB and block river. AP also block river. You don't have more value on this runout, but you're still too strong to check, especially after betting rather small OTT. AP I call river, he might do this with AK, AQ and the price is good, but it feels a bit like getting milked.

You didn't include what sizing you opened pre. If it was 3x it's a pretty clear fold vs 4x 3b oop, and I'd even fold if your initial raise was 4bb. T9s isn't a great hand and it plays quite bad oop. BTN 3b range is super strong, in these stakes people under3b especially from the button because it's so much fun to just flat there.
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02-19-2023 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by crackedaa
I'd overbet turn around 40BB and block river. AP also block river. You don't have more value on this runout, but you're still too strong to check, especially after betting rather small OTT. AP I call river, he might do this with AK, AQ and the price is good, but it feels a bit like getting milked.

You didn't include what sizing you opened pre. If it was 3x it's a pretty clear fold vs 4x 3b oop, and I'd even fold if your initial raise was 4bb. T9s isn't a great hand and it plays quite bad oop. BTN 3b range is super strong, in these stakes people under3b especially from the button because it's so much fun to just flat there.
Ahh I never thought of overbetting turn. Sorry I opened to 4x
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02-19-2023 , 08:17 PM
Why are you checking this flop? Should be a bet from your range, villain could have plenty of draws he’s floating with.

OTR, classic bet fold situation. When you check the flop you’ve given villain the chance call down lighter than if you bet 3 streets. If you bet you can get value from Ax type hands along with Tx that think you’re trying to bluff the flush. By checking you allow villain to check behind all his 1 pair hands and bet his flushes for value.
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02-19-2023 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ssmallz
Why are you checking this flop?
You want to donk into the 3b on an A high board?
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02-19-2023 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
You want to donk into the 3b on an A high board?
Sorry misread the hand, makes more sense now
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