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01-30-2024 , 05:07 PM
Do think subscriptions for GTO Wizard, Crush Liver Poker or poker coaching.com will help improve my game? Any other recommendations?

I have been taking notes since I have gotten back into poker 2 months ago (8 sessions, 30 hours). I have re-read Modern Poker Theory and Excelling at Tough No Limit Hold ‘em games. I have watched most of the free videos on YouTube over the past year produced by GTO Wizard, Bart Hanson and Jonathan Little that are relevant to cash games. I watch some of the prominent poker vloggers and pause to try to range the villains’ hands to improve my hand reading ability. I will use Flopzilla or Equilab if needed when analyzing my own hand history notes. However, over the past 3 sessions (12 hours) I am on $2200 downswing (only 5.5 buy ins). While this is not significant statistically, it has given me even more motivation to get better and analyze my game.

After reviewing my notes I have come to the following conclusions:

My strengths:
- I keep a disciplined, tight pre-flop ranges. I never open limp. I mostly 3-bet of fold from everywhere except the button and BB. I am pretty aggressive about squeezing. I only overlimp at very passive tables with high implied odds hands (low PP, suited connectors).
- I play well in single raised pots in position.
- I stay disciplined with my strategies even when losing. My pre flop ranges stay tight and I will triple barrel bluff even when stuck.
- I am able to walk away from the table when losing and not chase losses.
- I am not afraid to be aggressive and bluff when opponents show weakness with capped ranges.

My weaknesses
- I have trouble knowing when to range bet or play more passively as OOP raiser in SRPs.
- I have trouble navigating 3-bet pots from any position.
- I have trouble making exploitative folds with obvious “second best” holdings against straight forward opponents (I.e. flopped straight but flush draw completes on river)
- I stab too often in multiway pots on the turn when action checks through on the flop.
- I play pretty face up in multiway pots.
- I do not check raise often enough and when I do I am too value heavy.
- Fancy play syndrome
- I range some opponents too narrowly and it causes me to lose on value.
- Bet sizing and frequencies on all streets
- I don’t always take effective notes when I feel I need to pay attention to the game. I am inefficiently slow at note taking
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01-31-2024 , 10:59 AM
I think both Bart's and Jonathan's sites will be more helpful than GTO Wizard. They're both good but I personally prefer Bart for cash games.

Regarding the weaknesses, your biggest one IMO is not writing down hands to review or post later. All the other things will come in time the more you play. Everyone plays face up pretty much in multiway pots, and there's nothing wrong with only c/r'ing with value for the time being until you get better later and play against the same players, you can then start to mix in semi-bluffs or creative bluffs but I don't think it's a weakness. You don't need to c/r to win in the long run.

If you're bad at note taking, try using voice text after a big hand while stepping back from the table. I used to email myself each hand which for me was the easiest way to do it but that was also my biggest weakness when I wanted to start playing seriously and that's the one thing my coach at the time beat into my head how important it was, and he was right. Sometimes you'll realize what you did wrong just by reviewing the hand later without posting it or talking it over with other good player, and keep posting your biggest questionable hands here, there's a bunch of good players here who will give you advice on the hand.
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01-31-2024 , 11:32 AM
Hey OP, long posts like yours turn off the reader. Keep them shorter, if you want more response.

+1 to what Playbig said. Often you realize your errors simply by drawing up precise hand histories. If you still don't know if you made an error, then post the hand history on 2+2. The pros on 2+2 gladly tell you when you erred. There nothing like humility to improve your game. From your post, you know the basic concepts. You just need to improve executing them.

Playing 10,000 hands online under a HUD and then running a leak analyzer will surely help your game. Just keep in mind that online plays closer to GTO than live. It drives online players crazy that live players limp and call wide and pots are usually multiway.

Good luck!
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01-31-2024 , 11:47 AM
The whole suite of Ed Miller's books should help.
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01-31-2024 , 02:15 PM
For live cash, the two best choices are Crush Live Poker and Red Chip Poker.

I subscribed to CLP for a while. Their content is pretty good, but their coaching options are meager; also their Discord server is fairly toxic.

Pokercoaching.com is a good match for me, because of my own mix of interests between live and online, between cash and tournaments.
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02-01-2024 , 06:29 PM
[QUOTE=$tack$Poker;58441398]Do think subscriptions for GTO Wizard, Crush Liver Poker or poker coaching.com will help improve my game? Any other recommendations?

I have been taking notes since I have gotten back into poker 2 months ago (8 sessions, 30 hours). I have re-read Modern Poker Theory and Excelling at Tough No Limit Hold ‘em games. I have watched most of the free videos on YouTube over the past year produced by GTO Wizard, Bart Hanson and Jonathan Little that are relevant to cash games. I watch some of the prominent poker vloggers and pause to try to range the villains’ hands to improve my hand reading ability. I will use Flopzilla or Equilab if needed when analyzing my own hand history notes. However, over the past 3 sessions (12 hours) I am on $2200 downswing (only 5.5 buy ins). While this is not significant statistically, it has given me even more motivation to get better and analyze my game.

After reviewing my notes I have come to the following conclusions:

/QUOTE]

My strengths:
- I keep a disciplined, tight pre-flop ranges. I never open limp. I mostly 3-bet of fold from everywhere except the button and BB. I am pretty aggressive about squeezing. I only overlimp at very passive tables with high implied odds hands (low PP, suited connectors).
- I play well in single raised pots in position.
- I stay disciplined with my strategies even when losing. My pre flop ranges stay tight and I will triple barrel bluff even when stuck.
- I am able to walk away from the table when losing and not chase losses.
- I am not afraid to be aggressive and bluff when opponents show weakness with capped ranges.
- I don't stab too often in multiway pots on the turn when action checks through on the flop.
- I don't have trouble making exploitative folds with obvious “second best” holdings against straight forward opponents (I.e. flopped straight but flush draw completes on river)
- I make a goal of check raising once a session where I straight up didn't hit
- I pay attention and realize that I don't really have to take notes to understand people's play

My weaknesses
- I have trouble knowing when to range bet or play more passively as OOP raiser in SRPs.
- I have trouble navigating 3-bet pots from any position.
- I play pretty face up in multiway pots.
- Fancy play syndrome
- I range some opponents too narrowly and it causes me to lose on value.
- Bet sizing and frequencies on all streets


I fixed what you don't know already. If you know the holes in your game ALREADY, no website is going to get you to fix them. It's like having an employee who says, "I'm always late. I get it. I need training to help". They don't need training. They just need to leave earlier and they know it.

Fix the things you know about first. Then worry about paying for training.
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