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The Real LLSNL pt2:  Big Hand but EASY Laydowns The Real LLSNL pt2:  Big Hand but EASY Laydowns

11-24-2013 , 05:39 PM
$1/2, loose passive limps in UTG, reg raises to $14 with AA in cutoff and villain limp calls. Flop is KQ4dd. Villain check calls $14 into $28. Turn is Kx. Villain checks again and hero bets $25 into $56. Villain quickly check shoves for $125 total after a few seconds. Reg tanks for a very long time and asks if villain has a king. Villain starts talking a lot. Reg flips up AA to get a reaction. Villain continues talking. Reg goes "this is so hard to fold" then calls. Villain has K9 and wins. It's amazing how people are just incapable of folding big PPs post flop when they know they're beat
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05-12-2014 , 12:34 AM
Saw this hand the other day at 2/5nl Deep stack. Eff stacks $2500

V1 is an OMC who plays pretty snug. He has a wider preflop calling range than most OMCs but post flop he is just never getting it in light or on a draw. Like ever. He is at $1700.

V2 is a thinking TAG who is semi-aggro but mostly solid post flop. He is at $2500

V3 is a tournament player who likes to play the cash game whenever she binks a big tournament. She recently won a high five figures and is splashing around in the cash game while the money lasts.


OMC 54 limps from MP, V2 AK raises $25 from the HJ, V3 AA 3-bets to $100 from the CO, OMC calls, V2 calls, 3-way action.

Flop($300) Q J T
OMC leads out $125, V2 raises to $425, V3 calls, OMC shoves for $1600 remaining, V2 re-shoves all-in for $2.1k-ish more, Action falls to V3 who is holding AA

she tanks and the scene draws a huge crowd since this is potentially a $6.5k+ pot. She tables her AA and says, "I know I'm behind... I know I need to catch a diamond to win."

after about ten minutes of intense tanking and hollywooding she calls.

Turn($6.5k+) 5
River($6.5k+) 4

Analysis.

The problem in this spot is that she is most likely drawing to 7 or less outs with the possibility that someone has a straight flush or straight flush draws which kills a diamond out or she could be drawing dead. OMC 100% has a flush so now she goes from 9 diamond outs to 7. V2 likely has at least one diamond so now she goes from 7 outs to 6. But the 9 or T is likely no good so now she is drawing to 5 outs.

5 outs means she has roughly 20% equity on the flop. IN order to be correct in calling she needs to be getting around 4:1 on a call or better but she is only getting roughly 2:1 on a call

What was funny was as the scene played out everyone was saying, "She has to call!!!!"

only a few of us knew this was a clear 100% fold.

But she called, and the cards turned over and surprise surprise it goes brick brick and she loses $2.5k in a pot where she was only $500 vested in and had clearly enough chips behind to make the correct fold.

Last edited by dgiharris; 05-12-2014 at 12:42 AM.
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05-12-2014 , 05:47 AM
Another Overbet hand

1/3 NL
v1: Loose-passive white male in his 40s, sitting on about $600, has a hard time folding TP+

Hero: Just sat at the table from a broken table, but has played with V1 before. Hero has a tight, winning image with V1 though. Covers the table.

V1 limps UTG, two more limpers, SB completes, hero checks BB w/79o


Flop ($15): 99qr

SB checks, Hero leads $15, V1 snap calls, everyone else folds.

Turn ($45): 9x

Hero bets $45, V1 snap calls.

River ($135): 7x

Hero Shoves, V1 snap calls with KK.


I'm simply never doing this with less than 9x, simply because his line is so often 9x, and I'm never checking my BB w/QQ+. But he simply couldn't fold because 'I has full house', and 'There's no A'
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05-12-2014 , 07:02 AM
Witnessed an amazing hand in the last homegame i attended. One of the better players got payed off huge by a fish who often gives it away with speeches when he has the nutz, lots of betsizing tells and generally has no idea of deep stack cash play. He has just doubled up his 150 BB buyin and is now playing 300 BB. The whole table knows it is just a matter of time before he does something stupid and is getting owned by some of the better players. And not surprisingly:

One of the better players raising to 7 BB with QQ from the Button and he covers the fish with 300 BB who calls with A2

Flop comes QA6

Fish checks and good player bets full pot 15 BB. Fish quickly calls.

Turn 7

Fish now donks out 30 BB- and good player pretty much instaraises to 95 BB. Fish thinks for couple of seconds before declaring allin, putting his whole 300 BB stack in the middle. Good player beats him into the pot and his chips is out there faster than i have ever seen

The whole table is just giving eachother weird smiles when fish announces all serious "I only need a club on the river to ship the pot!!"

LOL Good player declares he only run it once and the river bricks out giving him a 600 BB pot with his set of queens. Thats how you get payed off big, so good timing to pick up such a hand
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05-12-2014 , 08:03 AM
Witnessed a hand kind of surprised me. Bob is an old man who sucks at poker. He's not an OMC, his VPIP is around 50%. His postflop play is super predictable. Small probing bets with good to decent hands and bluffs. Big bets with the nuts. He's more like your typical loose fish. He almost never raises preflop, I've seen him limp-call premiums routinely, playing them cautiously unless he makes top set then he bombs it.

The TAG reg is on my right, and is pretty good. Game is 1/2 with effective stacks of $400.

Bob limps, TAG raises to $15, a couple others call.

Flop ($60) AKJr

Bob bets $85. At this point his hand is almost completely face up as QT. Maybe AA/KK. TAG calls.

Turn ($230) blank. Bob bets $100. TAG tanks for quite a while then calls.

River($430) blank. Bob shoves his remaining $200. TAG tanks for a while. Starts trying to talk to Bob. Starts talking about how he can't have AA/KK/AK. Of course he can absolutely have those hands. The only reason I don't think he can have AK is because I don't think he bet/bet/shoves AK, only stronger hands. Almost guaranteed QT. TAG shows his AJ. I'm having a hard time not breaking the OPTAH rule because I know this guy, and know he's considering making a godawful call here. After a few minutes in the tank, he calls, Bob tables the QT.

I know it's tough to fold two pair, but you need to know when two pair is little more than a bluff catcher. Especially against an opponent you should know would probably check/call down with AQ, or bet $20/$35/$50, not $85/$100/$200.
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05-12-2014 , 09:11 AM
OVERPAIR = NEVER FOLD

V is a rec player who I bluffed and showed in a small pot earlier. Raised turn on KTJ9 and showed ATC. V was visibly rattled and kept saying wow wow I had you crushed.

2/5 V has about 1300, Hero covers. V 3-bets 50 over Hero's HJ open to 20 with 53o. Folds to Hero, calls. Flop 543ss (bingo), Hero checks V fires 125 in green. Hero c/r 325. V KNOWS something is up, tanks, and then shoves a towering stack of green, like 650. Hero shoves and V sigh calls off the remaining 600.

On a fairly coordinated board against someone who has bluffed you recently, this sequence of events seems suicidal.

Spoiler:
Board ran out TT, standard. V told me he would have given me more respect if I hadn't shown him the earlier bluff. Smiled and said eh, respect's overrated. I make the same call in your spot - after all
, I'm always FOS right? He laughed and said yup.
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05-12-2014 , 09:24 AM
I love when villains just roll their eyes and sigh call off their overpairs. Do they not realize folding is an option? It's funny, because a lot of times these guys can lay down 2 pair when the flush hits, but AA? UNFOLDABLE. Or when they think 77 is the nuts on a 664 board.
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05-13-2014 , 10:50 AM
Was reading this thread yesterday before my session and happened to play a hand where an OMC couldnt lay down TPGK.

I has toppest pair!

1/2

V1: Standard OMC, Has been there for about an hour or so and the only hands Ive seen him play he showed down and they were AA twice and QQ. The QQ hand he opened, got 3 bet really small, and he flatted the 3 bet so his 4 betting range is KK+

Hero: 22 year old white guy, has been raising a decent amount in position and firing a c bet most of the time when checked to OTF. Hasnt been able to win a hand in the last hour or so after winning a $500 pot and it currently sitting on $300, villian covers. May appear to be steaming but is not.

Hero has T8 in the HJ

Two limpers to hero who raises to 14, V1 cold calls in the BB, both limpers call.

Alarm bells were going off when V1 cold calls, his range here is TT-QQ and AK.

Flop: K88 Pot: 57

Checks to hero who bets $40, only v1 calls

Could not have asked for a better scenario than V1 calling and the 2 limpers folding. I can pretty much eliminate any hand that beats me because he never calls pre with A8, K8, Q8, or J8. KK he 3 bets pre so I 100% know I am good here and I also can pretty much narrow his range down to AK

Turn: 2 Pot:$108

V1 checks, Hero bets $75, V1 tank calls

Just needed to bet an amount that would set up a river shove. V1 takes about 30 seconds and looks fairly uneasy about calling, but does anyway. All this does is confirm that he has a strong King and all I need to stack this OMC is a non king river

River: J Pot: $258

V1 checks, Hero Jams for 173, V1 tank calls

River brings a a 3rd diamond but that didnt really matter because the only flush he could have is AK but I dont think he takes that long to call OTT with that hand. He tanked for a good 45 seconds before calling it off. He didnt show his hand but I think we all know what he had the way the hand played out. Feel like AK in that spot is a easy fold for most good players, but a lot of OMC's and donks get married to TPTK and cannot find the fold button when some punk kid is bombing 3 streets. I had not double barreled at all so although I should have had an aggro image pre and OTF, There was maybe a 5% chance if that that I was bluffing OTR.
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05-13-2014 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by buggits30
V1: Standard OMC, Has been there for about an hour or so and the only hands Ive seen him play he showed down and they were AA twice and QQ.
raising pre is pretty spewy then
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05-13-2014 , 11:12 AM
I was in AC a couple of weeks ago with a bunch of mates, some of whom are solid enough players, most of whom are awful loose passives who play 45/5 style poker and will literally only bet if they have it, but will also call down with any piece.

LP friend limps UTG, lots of limps, I check in the BB with some rags.

Flop is AKQ, checks to MP he bets $10 folds to my loose passive friend who calls.

Turn is Q

UTG checks, MP bets $25, UTG calls

River is 10

My friend checks, MP bets $100, friend snaps and turns over Q3o no heart like it's the nuts. His hand is no good.

"I had trips, no way I can lay that down"

Ummmmm.
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05-13-2014 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by timmay28
raising pre is pretty spewy then
When he's in the bb and very unlikely to call a raise?
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05-13-2014 , 11:52 AM
lol misreadaments .... sorry, wp
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05-13-2014 , 03:54 PM
Here's one I saw recently too, I actually am going to ask "is this a trivial laydown" rather than state it.

I've been at the table for about 2 hours, have been fairly quiet but raising limpers in position and cbetting a lot, standard stuff nothing crazy. I have 3b one villain light a couple of times and one of those times I ended up winning a big pot when I 3b from the button with J10hh and flopped a straight and won against QQ, other than that haven't shown much down.

I have around $300

V1 - been at the table the same amount of time, been very quiet but had limp-shoved for his $100ish stack twice so far from UTG/EP.

V2 - newish to the table.

V1 limps UTG, I raise two black aces to $13 from UTG + 1, UTG + 2 calls, HJ calls, CO calls, button calls, blinds call (oh dear), V1 shoves in for $95 total, I reshove for $300 total.

UTG + 2 snap calls off his $240 stack with QQ.

That's an easy laydown right?
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05-13-2014 , 04:05 PM
Not nessecarily
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05-13-2014 , 04:24 PM
that JhTh hand makes the laydown much harder, that's why we bet light, right? To get action from our monsters.
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05-13-2014 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mtagliaf
that JhTh hand makes the laydown much harder, that's why we bet light, right? To get action from our monsters.
Yeah, I can't remember if V2 was at the table for that hand, but that was nice to 3b J10hh vs a LAG and flop come 789r and get 3 streets from QQ.
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05-15-2014 , 08:44 AM
CHOP

Limped pot, V is rec player dressed to "the nines" and rather stationy. I check red 73o in BB.

Flop (25) KQ6r. Checks through.
Turn (25) Qs, spade draw. I lead 20, V flats.
River (65) 6d. I lead 40, V beats me in the pot with T8ss.

Spoiler:
I felt soul-read.
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07-28-2014 , 04:55 PM
Saw a hilarious hand that happened in 2/5nl and Lucky Chances casino yesterday.

V1 is an aggro OMC who just loves to overshove the nuts. He's sitting on $2k.
V2 is younger Asian kid who plays a weak form of TAG with lots of leaks, but he doesn't get too out of line. He is sitting on $1.3k

V1 has been overshoving V2 several times in the past hour. I'm sitting on V1's side of the table and he shows his cards everytime he overshoves and each time he has the near nuts or stone cold nuts. And when he shoves, it's a ridiculous shove, like shoving $2k into a $200 pot

One shove in particular, OMC has 53 in the BB, TAG raises $25 preflop with AT OMC calls,

Flop($50) A 4 2
OMC checks, TAG bets $35, OMC calls

Turn(120) 6
OMC checks, TAG bets $65, OMC c/r ships it for $2k this was like the 5th ship within the last 30 minutes. TAG tanks and you can tell he is just tired of getting shoved on but he eventually folds. OMC shows the straight flush, TAG says, nice hand but he is clearly tilted.

Then 2 hands later.

Limpy pot, get's to OMC who calls from BTN, 2 callers, TAG calls from UTG.

Flop($15) 8 4 5
chks to OMC who bets $20, TAG calls, everyone else folds, heads up.

Turn(55) 6
chks to OMC who bets $45, TAG calls

River(115) 6
TAG bets $100, OMC insta shoves all-in for $2k , TAG insta calls

OMC shows 65
TAG shows Q6

The TAG sees the hands tabled and jumps up and does a fist pump and says "Yes, I got you out kicked, I finally got you!!!!"

After a few seconds of celebrating we tell him that OMC has a full house, and his face just melts into a giant "O" as he looks at the board and hands again....

What I found hilarious was that the TAG just insta called with his trip 6s not even thinking about the 4-to-a-straight on the board not to mention the fact the pot is only $200-ish when OMC re-jams it all-in for $2k.

OMC basically showed the nuts everytime he overbet jam but the TAG just was tilted by all the times he had to fold. Despite the fact OMC showed the straight flush earlier, TAG just wanted to "get him" and was sick of folding and tilt insta called in a spot that was the easiest fold in the world.
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07-28-2014 , 05:53 PM
lol at bet/calling a 2k shove on that river with trips.
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