2/5 NL

Table is 6- handed Villain is new to table. One hand he limped ATo from UTG + 1 and ended up winning with top pr played fairly passively. Villain 2 is passive fit/fold player.

Eff stacks $550

UTG + 1 limps. Villain raises to $20. Hero calls from BB with 55 Limper calls

Flop ($60) 643 Hero checks. UTG + 1 checks. Villain bets $50. Hero raises to $125. UTG+1 folds. Villain calls.

Turn ($310) 4 Hero bets $215.

Its ok, if you were semi bluffing with clubs you just got there.

just gotta plan one more street ahead to avoid awk stack sizes. bigger on flop/shove turn looks better.

That's so strange. Can anybody here tell me a hand this villain pot-bets the flop on this wet board, then cold calls a raise? AcKc? KcQc? I simply can't get this right. If he is a decent player he may call with an OP to re-evaluate the turn, what you'll get him to fold with this turn and bet.

Without knowing if he's weak or not, bluffing this OOP just seems suicide because I won't
be able to see his action OTT if he calls my flop raise. Other than that, I agree with abgtr on raising more OTF to avoid getting dumbly committed OTR without a hand.
Raising $160 OTF allows you to yield a pot-sized AI OTT that looks really solid and strong.

TT+? 77+?

lol this made me laugh.

it's the best turn card to shove, flush got there, sets are boats, straights are probably still shoving. Villain can't really have a boat/straight here ever so we are making him make a tough decision with an overpair a large % of the time.

He does have a flush sometimes. I don't like making villians make big decisions at these stakes, they tend to just call.

uber tilting to get called by red aces here but w/e.

When villain flats the turn, I'm pretty sure he has an overpair and thinks I either have a set or am semi-bluffing with clubs. I think he only continues with an AA and KK if he has a club.

flop or turn? if he flatted the flop I think we have to go for the glory and keep shoving all rivers.

you pretty convincingly rep a set on the flop (raise bigger though) and i'd probably just shove the turn, slight over bet, but whatev.

Perfect example of intelligent well thought out line, but misplaced. Also extremely typical at the levels of 1-2 and 2-5.

Im doubting you win this pot very often.

I will offer a hint so as not to do all the work for you. Why did you check raise flop? What is villains range and what do you think will happen? Whats the entire plan in other words.

He c/r'd pot on the flop as a semi bluff trying to end the hand right there right? Villains range is AK, AQ with a all pairs 77+? The plan is to follow through on any scare card that falls on the turn?

When villain bets 50 into 60, that states fairly loud that he is ready to play and isnt folding. Hero raises from 50 to 125? This small raise wont fold anything out but total air and i say villain wont have total air very often betting 50 into 60. (or shouldnt)

So as I stated, there are good intentions here but handreading is completely missing as well as selecting a check raise size that wont work almost in the best conditions.

Also, when there is a super drawy board and we have showdown value, bloating the pot to the max is not a good plan. Neither is worrying about the 6 outs that villain will have if he is not already ahead of us. So ending the hand is not a viable thought process. This villain is never folding better on the flop.

So if i understand you correctly, which i might not, you are saying that he needs to either c/r much more otf or just call because we have showdown value and will not get villain away from anything we are losing to at the moment?

I think he is saying that there are better ways to execute this plan but mainly that when villains take this line, they just aren't folding very often. So maybe just flatting the flop with our OESD+set outs is better than trying to bluff.

Usually i dislike donking into PFR but this is a decent time for it. WE price ourselves in for flop and turn and if get raised on flop we can fold easily IF we think villain would fold if we hit our draw. (The draw is so transparent.)

CR is good when we think villains cbet is air mostly AND when we think villain will not 2 barrel air if we chk/call flop and check turn. I doubt this is the case here and thus why i dislike the CR.

Also if i thought villain would fold out the portion of range which is all overpairs up to maybe 99 or TT if i shove, then i would shove putting villain to the max decision for his stack. That maximizes FE if we have any at all. Check raising only opens the door for villain to figure we have a draw and he shoves his 99 or TT to protect.

There is a fine line between expert play and spew, same as the fine line between genius and insanity. Accurately predicting the villains reactions to certain betsizes etc. is critical in order to make these elaborate plays work in our favor. (Something many online players must adjust to when venturing into the live game room.)

I agree that the c/r was too small and that 150-160 would be better in setting up a pot-sized river shove. Once villain flats it's pretty clear he has an over pair and we only win if we hit one of our 10 outs (which could be 8 if he has a big club).

My initial plan on the c/r was to do one of the following
a) fold him off his hand if he was c-betting air
b) if he calls and the turn is a blank, i'm hoping the c/r will make him think twice before betting the turn. I'm essentially setting the price to see 2 cards instead of letting him set the price on the turn, plus I'm taking the initiative instead of taking a passive line.
c) Bet any good scare card - club, 6, 4, or 3 which could make the villain fold an overpair.

If we make our hand with a 2, 5, or 7 that is not a club, is it better to check here or shove? In that case he probably has 2 outs so a free card is not a big risk.

I'm thinking a club that gives us a straight or flush we should bet in case he has an overpair with a club.