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12-30-2012 , 03:36 PM
I was wondering what everyone else's ranges are for raising and limping.

Specifically at 1/3, I feel like my range is a bit different than how I used to play online.

Raising:
EP: JJ+, AQ/AK, AJs
MP: 99+, AJ+, KQs
LP: 77+, AT+, JT/QJ/KJs, KQ

Limping:
45s+, 35s+, AXs/all PP that I don't raise

I'll limp the above to play stack a donk at 1/3.

That seemed reasonable to me at first, then I looked at the numbers:
EP: 4.5%
MP: 6.6%
LP: 10.6%

Limping is ~10.1%

So if we average the raising ranges (assume we're in EP/MP/LP equally), we have: (4.5+6.6+10.6)/3 = 7.2% PFR.

Does anyone else play this tight? Or should I be opening up my PFR range? Not sure if we should be raising hands like AXs since we want as many people to play their ZOMGSOOTED cards as possible.

It's probably room dependent, but for example at my local 1/3 tables, it's not uncommon for someone to open UTG for 20+ and get 3-4 callers. That leads me to believe it's just not profitable to add hands like T7s to your raising range.

How to calculate your own percentages:
Spoiler:

There are (52 choose 2) starting combos in poker (this accounts for double counting, so for example AKhh is only counted once).

Every combination of 2 cards is just as likely as another combination, so add up all the combinations in your range and divide by (52 choose 2), which is 1326.

So for example, if I want to calculate the following range:
QQ+, AQ+, AJs
There are 3*6 combos of QQ+, 2*16 combos of AQ+, and 4 combos of AJs.

Then the total probability is (18+32+4)/1326 = 4.1%
12-30-2012 , 03:48 PM
I play way looser than this. Anyway if is bad to have such a set range. It makes you easily exploitable if your room is reg heavy and you are playing the same players a lot. It gives you an excuse to auto pilot rather than think decisions through and it fails completely to take account of table dynamics which may mean that you should play a lot looser, a lot tighter, limp more or raise more. I can not think of many situations in which I would open limp the button.
12-30-2012 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by madlondoner
I play way looser than this. Anyway if is bad to have such a set range. It makes you easily exploitable if your room is reg heavy and you are playing the same players a lot. It gives you an excuse to auto pilot rather than think decisions through and it fails completely to take account of table dynamics which may mean that you should play a lot looser, a lot tighter, limp more or raise more. I can not think of many situations in which I would open limp the button.
I agree with you. However, I don't play all that much at my local room, so I'm not too worried about regs exploiting me (my room usually has ~10 or so tables running, and I've only run into a couple of players more than once).

I do agree that it really depends on the table dynamics, but the above was a rough guideline. How are you adjusting your raise/limping range when your table is looser? I'll join the limp-fest with hands like AXs, but I have a hard time opening my raising range since it's so hard to even get 3-way to the flop.
12-30-2012 , 04:04 PM
Every time I play, my style and pfr is different based on players/ table dynamic. I used to play a similar "default" type style (maybe a little bit looser, added suites connectors for pfr) and it was def not as successful as my variety of styles now. Just a thought
12-30-2012 , 07:47 PM
I realize you're new here, but this thread continually pops up. Most NLHE books will have a starting hand guide if you're interested in what other people do. People have different ranges, depending on a wide range of factors. A LAG will have a different range than a TAG, yet both can be profitable. Using a range without understanding the assumptions behind it can be detrimental to your winrate.

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