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Oh thanks man. It would have been a little funny and relevant about 10 min ago.

All that fuss for this?

I am Jack's festering dissappointment.

edit: sorry, guess i'm late to the party.

I just thought the line was face up.

But, I’m not like V...so, I dunno what’s right anymore.

But it doesn’t matter because corona ended poker

At 66bbs effective and after passive 4 limpers (a herd thinning raise here starts at $25 which is 1/8th of our stack), I actually think raising anything other than premiums here is quite poor. We're perfectly fine with playing high SPR pots in position on the world with this hand (even though it's *possible* I may have screwed up by committing postflop in this particular case). We hate getting 3bet or limp/raised (where we'll have to fold and forfeit both the decent percentage of money we put in the pot as well as our equity). All we mostly do with a raise here is create a very small committed SPR pot where we're often the one making dominating hands limped by passive players play correctly. At bigger stack depths I wouldn't have nearly as much problem with a raise.

GimoG


We're 7ways to the flop. Good luck running over the world, imo.

With the A high flush draw here I would be a lot more cooler with a bet. Once and a while we may surprise take it down or thin it enough where perhaps we could barrel, or at the very least perhaps setup a free card play.
Meanwhile we're not necessarily hating facing a check/raise or building a pot thanks to our nut draw; we hate both of these things a lot more without the nut draw. The less nuttish my draw is this many ways, the more I'm cool with just taking a free card now and not building a pot (even though I realize in this particular case I managed to get my stack in anyways, again, possibly a mistake on the turn).

GcluelessNLnoobG


But we *do* charge fish who limp into a pot by simply overlimping them: they now have the pleasure of playing the rest of the hand with us in position where stacks can be at risk. It didn't work out for me this time, but overall it's still a very profitable spot.

GimoG


As for Lapi's quote regarding how I must be in the Abyss, if the Abyss is simply a lol breakeven stretch over 100 hours, then sign me up for that.

(But, my bad for bringing strat in here, so I do deserve whatever I get. )

GcluelessAbyssnoobG

Gg made typo

I called and ended up scooping

Went to bed at 9:30 last night and now believe that is the key to life

Yeah, I thought about the 4 bet. Would you really jam though? I get that you’re pot committing by 4 betting but it makes us kind of face up?

Do you have a std response to the raise_from_the_straddle_dark_check? I don't.

The tiny bet on the flop screams I have a monster. of course a check says I have a monster should I put in chips later.
since they're all dark boxes for me.

online players must be so indignant right about now.

I think you play better than you explain your play.

Other than the misspelling (I meant to say "we're often the ones making dominated hands", not "dominating"), what issues do you have with the bolded parts?

GIprobablyplayasgoodasIexplain,lolG

Yep, I kind of think you have to by the river given his turn sizing. Not a great deal of fun calling that bet though, nh

It’s an interesting hand for me at least because it’s a relatively common occurrence where I (as a rec) get put to the test

It would appear that nobody cares

I actually went to bed at 9:30pm on Sunday after a very late Saturday night and the impending spring ahead time change. Can't remember the last time I've done that.

G11:00pm-6:50am,mostlyG

LoL @ premiums. You have a top 8% hand. WTF do all the limpers have? AA, JJ, AQ? You don't need to thin the herd for this to be a profitable raise. You have every advantage in the book (hand range, position, skill, and if you raise you also have initiative). You'd just rather not deal with the variance when you could make low variance money when you have a made hand.


Short stack depths are certainly problematic for players that play tight hand ranges and need a made hand to win pots.


You don't have to when you have a top 8% hand. You also don't have to run over the world when 6 players all check to the raiser (aka you).

God forbid we bet after everyone checks to us without the absolute nut draw even though there are tons of worse draws out there.


Sure, limping on the button is profitable. Putting more money into the pot when you are in position (along with all of the other advantages in the hand) is even more profitable. Saying limping the button is profitable here is akin to saying limping AA is profitable.


I went to bed at 10am.

Limpers aren't allowed to have AQ/KQ/AJ/KJ/Axcc/Kxcc? Those hands all have us in terrible shape in a small SPR pot where avoiding postflop commitment will be difficult with TP. And raising mostly gets a huge amount of hands we dominate to fold (unless you think everyone is limp/calling J2/etc.).

Sorry for playing with people who have 66bb effective stacks? Shortstack commitment is all about TPTK; this hand ain't remotely that.

Our bet is for value eleventeen ways with Q high + flush draw? No one can be check/raising us where we wish we hadda just taken the free card now? No one can have a dominating draw where we wish we didn't build a pot? How far down the flush draw hands you going before a bet here isn't exactly automatic? Are we simply drawing our line in the sand in slightly different places?

Regarding raising preflop, yeah, you could charge a cover charge at the door. But that might turn away a lotta people. Or you could offer them a free donut to come on inside. With this hand and this stack and this position, I'm offering free donuts.

Gbutyou'refreetoplayinyourwayG

Why do people still engage GG in discussing strat?

You're not going to change his mind, because after thousands of hours he doesn't think in terms of ranges and equities. He only wants to play the nuts, because if he doesn't have the nuts someone else might have the nuts, and that's GG thinking in a nutshell.

I suspect slim's account was hijacked

Not raising a top 8% hand because you are scared of being dominated or check raised is lol mubsy as hell. In a multiway pot like this, QJcc is practically as strong equity wise as AK and has like double the equity of the any 2 cards hands. In the terrible case that one player has AQ and another has JJ, QJcc would have the same equity as the players playing any 2 cards. If one player has AQ or JJ then our equity is not much worse than AQ/JJ and is still higher than the other 5 players. This is all ignoring the fact that we have position, initiative, and don't have to stack off when we hit 1 pair like some players.

And LoL at letting passive short stacking fish dictate whether we can raise top 8% hands on the button or not.

At some point I'll quit, but i've only been engaging him for 10 years.

GcluelessunsolicitedadvicegiverupperG

It doesn’t really scream anything when you’re betting small on flops that you have initiative in on a consistent basis. If anything it’s incredibly normal the way I play. Which is why I get a kick out of having my strategy torn apart from a comment on a hand, and an HH that I admitted being confused on a street during.
Not that I think I’m a theory genius or something. I mean, my poker book is right beside the highly touted 1/2 manifesto in a chapters gaming section near you, but that doesn’t mean much really.

SABR, how many games are your Yankees winning this year? I put the O/U at 97.5.

I want to know what he's thinking before I tell him he's totally wrong. Many people skip the first step and proceed directly to you're totally wrong.

Well that actually does fix the ambiguity. I now see that you think that QJs is behind their ranges and you don't want to build a low SPR pot that will commit you with TPGK. I suppose the next step is to examine the assumption that the limpers and over-limpers dominate you.

But one quibble remains But we *do* charge fish who limp into a pot by simply overlimping them:. What are you charging them? They can limp a lot of hands safely if they know you won't raise them without a big PP. It might be profitable to limp 96s with that safety net.

I'd buy the book.