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12-16-2019 , 05:24 PM
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Lapi - that sht happens literally every year. It is very ez access and yahoos with no clue who do not check reports with zero equipment go over there and end up paying the ultimate price. I can not tell u how many times I have been going outta bounds and I will check my beacon (obv shows other beacons) and see a bunch of people out there with no gear and no beacon. They have no clue where to stop - what to watch out for - etc. The proverbial accident waiting to happen
Indeed.

To be honest, when I'm out by myself the last few years (i.e. not paired up with a ski buddy or group specifically), I don't bring my kit so I'm not tempted to exit the gate as another anonymous face in the crowd.

It sucks standing on the inbounds side of the line just watching...

I'm just happy I've survived so far, considering all the stupid shyte I've done in the mountains... Skiing the Heliotrope Ridge on Mt Baker solo... Skiing Hatcher Pass solo...

You know you're old when you look back with amazement at how lucky you were.
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12-16-2019 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
I think there was a large shift in roughly 77 after which came all the bands you mentioned plus Split Enz, Devo, Joe Jackson, even B52s, Talking Head, etc. Prior to that bands like Kansas, Styx, Foreigner, etc were big bands. I think when most think of the terrible excesses of the 70's that is what they are referring to...at least that is what I am referring to.
almost all the bands I mentioned minus Joy Division and the Specials were mainly early and mid 70s (maybe Ramones were mid onwards?), I was 8 when the decade ended so almost all of the music I 'discovered' later on...with the exception of the Specials, who along with the Jam were ****ing huge in the UK from 79-82

I mean I honestly don't think I've listened to any music from those 3 bands you quoted ... I've heard of Foreigner but actually never heard of Kansas or Styx before in my life...so maybe it's a Murican thing.

either way, everyone can do their own thing with music, but I would pick 70-75 as the 5 year stretch that is the source of more of my favourite music than any other 5 year stretch
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12-16-2019 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
almost all the bands I mentioned minus Joy Division and the Specials were mainly early and mid 70s (maybe Ramones were mid onwards?), I was 8 when the decade ended so almost all of the music I 'discovered' later on...with the exception of the Specials, who along with the Jam were ****ing huge in the UK from 79-82

I mean I honestly don't think I've listened to any music from those 3 bands you quoted ... I've heard of Foreigner but actually never heard of Kansas or Styx before in my life...so maybe it's a Murican thing.

either way, everyone can do their own thing with music, but I would pick 70-75 as the 5 year stretch that is the source of more of my favourite music than any other 5 year stretch
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12-16-2019 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
almost all the bands I mentioned minus Joy Division and the Specials were mainly early and mid 70s (maybe Ramones were mid onwards?), I was 8 when the decade ended so almost all of the music I 'discovered' later on...with the exception of the Specials, who along with the Jam were ****ing huge in the UK from 79-82
The Clash were 76/77 but w/ever

I think the R&R HOF is kinda silly. The fact that Kraftwerk has not been admitted speaks to that silliness. But I guess it comes down to whether they value influence, commercial success, etc. Here are this year's nominees. Who would you vote for?

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12-16-2019 , 06:02 PM
Uke circle did Split Enz "Six Months In A Leaky Boat" last month (which I enjoyed). Tomorrow will mostly probably be Christmas songs and I haven't practiced and will be out to lunch.

I have no problems with the Beatles. Probably have about ~10ish tunes on my iPod. Like what you like, dislike what you dislike, music is ez, imo.

I literally have one song from that nominee list on my iPod (a couple of close ones haven't made the cut, but this one did just this year). Props to anyone who guesses it.

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12-16-2019 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Like what you like, dislike what you dislike, music is ez, imo.


Yes, but understand that liking things that show no uniqueness in taste or personality will get you judged.

For example: my sister owns like 30 volumes of NOW! That’s what I call music. She enjoyed most of every album, it is her musical taste. She’s like a walking Top 40/work time pop radio cliche.

I despise this and resent that she finds this to be good musical taste when she is in a family full of professional musicians "The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread
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12-16-2019 , 06:15 PM
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I think I read the wrong book that you recced. I read "Never Call Me a Hero" about a dive bomber from WWII. Really good. **** those guys did was off the chain
yeah, I've heard good things about that one, but the one I recced was "Flights of Passage" by Samuel Hynes. Amazing coming of age story. The guy was a Marine dive bomber in WWII, but ended up as a literature professor in later life, and the way he can write like a Marine with the intentionality of a professor was just amazing.
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12-16-2019 , 06:20 PM
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Uke circle did Split Enz "Six Months In A Leaky Boat" last month (which I enjoyed). Tomorrow will mostly probably be Christmas songs and I haven't practiced and will be out to lunch.

I have no problems with the Beatles. Probably have about ~10ish tunes on my iPod. Like what you like, dislike what you dislike, music is ez, imo.

I literally have one song from that nominee list on my iPod (a couple of close ones haven't made the cut, but this one did just this year). Props to anyone who guesses it.

GcluelessmusicnoobG


I would guess Enjoy The Silence or something by DMB
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12-16-2019 , 06:21 PM
I haven't listened to a lot of DMB, mainly because I've yet to hear anything that would interest me in listening further. Not my thing from what I can tell.

ETA Hint: Most appropriate song for this forum, imo.

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12-16-2019 , 06:32 PM
Ace of Spades obv
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12-16-2019 , 06:32 PM
Pat Benetar, Hit Me With Your Best Shot.
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12-16-2019 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
Yes, but understand that liking things that show no uniqueness in taste or personality will get you judged.

For example: my sister owns like 30 volumes of NOW! That’s what I call music. She enjoyed most of every album, it is her musical taste. She’s like a walking Top 40/work time pop radio cliche.

I despise this and resent that she finds this to be good musical taste when she is in a family full of professional musicians "The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread
I agree, yet according to 'little Steven' Van Zandt, the 2 1/2 minute pop hit single with its 3 stanzas tied with two chorus bridges is the most difficult to write, and according to him much more difficult than a non-formula creative piece like Dark Side of the Moon. So they all deserve respect
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12-16-2019 , 06:49 PM
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I agree, yet according to 'little Steven' Van Zandt, the 2 1/2 minute pop hit single with its 3 stanzas tied with two chorus bridges is the most difficult to write, and according to him much more difficult than a non-formula creative piece like Dark Side of the Moon. So they all deserve respect


So it’s hard for a musician to fit real music into a (more or less) math equation. That makes sense and I wasn’t knocking the (actual) person making the music.

I don’t knock anime for its storytelling or day time talk shows for their shallow content because they are doing exactly what they are supposed to.

But if you’re someone who’s seriously enjoy that stuff as a fully grown adult you’re going to get judged for having terrible taste
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12-16-2019 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
Ace of Spades obv
Yeah.

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12-16-2019 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ES2

It's always been extremely off putting to me when people well into their adult years closely disect and discuss pop music like it was really serious. And they always like very boring stuff. The Beatles being a prime example. Weak. Low energy.

I cannot discuss music because I cannot find a happy medium between fan boy "____ was so cool, back then music had real meaning today it's all trash" and dumps of trade-speak musical terms that require 10 min of right click searches to read a sentence.

also every fan of the Beatles is exactly the same.


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I think villain is also trying to take advantage of two other population tendencies in the nitty morning games I play. The first is that from most fish to most regs, everyone has overlearned the lesson of not going broke with one pair hands. So, while a few people get married to their Aces and Kings, a lot would fold even those hands there. Add the fact I have some A highs (let's add AQ as well) and his bluff might be going through enough times to be profitable.

The other lesson is that an all-in bet on the river tends to be very nut-valuey. In other words, although the average player might try a small bet to get value with two pair and sets, he rarely shoves those hands, even though I barely have any flushes in my range and I shouldn't have any straights either. Moreover, everyone seems to have the clever idea of overbet shoving to make their bet look like a bluff, but most forget to overbet shove as a bluff. Personally, if I were in the same spot against an unknown with AA-KK, I would be shitting bricks and I would be leaning towards an exploitative fold.

In general, it's a good question with what overpairs I call in that spot. The obvious answer is with AcXc and KcKx for sure, but maybe I should be betting a good percentage of those on the turn?

It's interesting you noticed that villain was blocking my JJ and thus AJ wasn't a good bluff. In his shoes, my instinct would have been to bluff with AcXx and KcXx, but maybe those aren't the best blockers to bluff with if Villain has shown he doesn't have a flush. With that logic AK is a good bluff candidate because it blocks my overpair calling range, but then again AK has some showdown value.

So what are good hands to bluff with?
Do you have an I-check-twice-on-4liners-to-induce-bluff-shoves type image?

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The Beatles are far from weak and low energy compared to the other music of their era. It also lasted better than most, partially because the 70s generally sucked musically, .
see 1st reply
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12-16-2019 , 07:27 PM
No need to discuss a genre the Pen wouldn't likely touch anyway. The #1 Christmas Carol has been named.
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12-16-2019 , 07:32 PM
Feel Wrath consider yourself blessed you have never heard of Styx. They are a horrible band from the 70 that produced dogshit for the masses. It is widely considered they made the worst song in rock history. I have it here - watch at your own risk. Seriously.



70-75 is also my most important 5 year stretch for music
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12-16-2019 , 08:19 PM
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Feel Wrath consider yourself blessed you have never heard of Styx. They are a horrible band from the 70 that produced dogshit for the masses. It is widely considered they made the worst song in rock history. I have it here - watch at your own risk. Seriously.



70-75 is also my most important 5 year stretch for music
"Jefferson" starship We Built This City, tho
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12-16-2019 , 08:19 PM
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Feel Wrath consider yourself blessed you have never heard of Styx. They are a horrible band from the 70 that produced dogshit for the masses. It is widely considered they made the worst song in rock history. I have it here - watch at your own risk. Seriously.



70-75 is also my most important 5 year stretch for music
Boom...re the bold!

I tried my best with this song, but I got to 1.25 and couldn't do any more
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12-16-2019 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
The Clash were 76/77 but w/ever

I think the R&R HOF is kinda silly. The fact that Kraftwerk has not been admitted speaks to that silliness. But I guess it comes down to whether they value influence, commercial success, etc. Here are this year's nominees. Who would you vote for?

I guess it depends on definition of RocknRoll...Kraftwerk are incredible and one of the most innovative and influential bands of all time, but clearly not RnR

Likewise, if the definition is tight, I'd vote for Depeche Mode, but if it's broader, I can't imagine not having Whitney in both for her unparalleled GOATy pipes, but also for her commitment for the nosebag
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12-16-2019 , 08:25 PM
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"Jefferson" starship We Built This City, tho


I was gonna say that and then decided “nah everyone already knows”
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12-16-2019 , 08:29 PM
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"Jefferson" starship We Built This City, tho
Turtle has redeemed himself musically with this post, imo. Truly dogshit. Even worse is that they bought that piece of crap song.
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12-16-2019 , 08:35 PM
And Mister Roboto is far less awful than "Come Sail Away." Not that that's saying much.
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12-16-2019 , 08:40 PM
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And Mister Roboto is far less awful than "Come Sail Away." Not that that's saying much.
South Park does Come Sail Away
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12-16-2019 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
Sounds like you hate music like the Beatles because it’s become hipster cool and anti-boomer to feel that way...
I loved the Beatles and Elvis as a small child. Elvis has held up but they haven't. I don't actually hate the music now, but I have found it boring since my teen years (I'm genx). At this point, if I want to hear pretty, elegant music, which I often do, I listen to classical or jazz.

Obviously, people can do whatever they want. It's just strange to me and kind of annoying. Like, people who take comic books very seriously and have big speeches about how it's art, which I sort of get. But at the same time they have no interest in Renoir or whatever. They just want to read about Captain Electricity fighting Professor Ape and act like it's great. It's kind of perverse.


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lullz..not really my favorite band either but this is a pretty terrible take. Whether you love them like some or not, there is no question they impacted tons and tons of artists including many you probably like.

I'm not really sure what you are hung up on with the "artists" rant or how that was initiated by The Beatles...don't really get the connection or what it is you are mad about

I love talking/dissecting/thinking about the artists I love. People do it about all forms are "art" so not sure why music would be any different. Some music I love is fairly surface level good melody, good hook, whatever. Some is deeper with better musicianship. Not sure why we can't enjoy all.
So, with the term "artist," this is a recent thing at least with frequency of use. To me it feels obsequious in one way. Like, I can see this starting with A&R people kissing butt. "This room is for artists only."

On the other hand maybe it is people trying to make the pop culture they consume sound more important and themselves more smarter.

Anyway, they were previously known as musicians, bands, singers. People usually refer to music as music, rather than art. Why has the more honorific term become the default?

Sure, technically, anyone who makes a creative expression is an artist. But it's still pretentious. And many people called artists are just faces chosen to perform the work of others, so they aren't even artists in the loosest sense.

Discussing pop culture can be fun, but there's this certain brand that drives me nuts. There's this show on NPR where they will sit there and talk about a Beyance album like it is Shakespeare and Bach rolled into one.

I normally change the channel as soon as I realize it's on. However I recently heard The Misfits on NPR. I was like, whoa, what's going on here? I really like the Misfits. But, I also think their path to mass popularity is fascinating. I can't think of anything else like it. They weren't even very popular in punk circles when they broke up, now they play the same venues as Kanye West... like 40 years later.

So anyway, it turns out to be this terrible show and this guy is like "I've never gotten The Misfits" and they pretty much leave it at that. And I thought, of course you haven't. It's just insanely catchy, energetic music where the guy says he raped your mom. You're too stupid to get that. Intellectual yet idiot.

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