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02-26-2020 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Correct. It's like a poker player that used to play .01/.02 and now plays high stakes.

A drop in the stock market of 10% would not cause people to lose their jobs. As long as the stock market does not lose 20% it is considered healthy.
yeah I’m sure it’ll bounce back as early as tomorrow.

ty DC learning a lot!
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02-26-2020 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
yeah I’m sure it’ll bounce back as early as tomorrow.



ty DC learning a lot!
Read bogleheads, kid.
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02-26-2020 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by squid face
RTP - thx for the tips...summer stuff is still in the works but I will prolly try and hang there minimum of 2 weeks.

Ran a reasonably large successful blackjack team prior to pokering


pokered again tonight 6.0 hrs. mojo back in full swing currently enjoyin a berry noice heater
anytime! definitely a good idea to aim for as long as fits your schedule. That way you can either win a ton of moniez or bounce back if the Texas variance doesn’t go your way in the beginning.

that’s pretty cool! and 25 years is a super long time to be playing poker, good for you man
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02-26-2020 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
Read bogleheads, kid.
will do. WSJ no good?
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02-26-2020 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
will do. WSJ no good?
News is garbage. Read good books. Bogleheads is the 2p2 of retirement investing.

"Random walk down wall street" would probably be the most eye opening thing you can read about financial markets.

It's funny that you mention a finance degree taught you nothing about this stuff. I know many PhD economists who are straight up idiots when it comes to handling their money.

At the end of the day save a lot and drop it all in low cost diversified funds with a sane macro asset balance. Once you do that your time is spent on other things unless you think it's fun to research fine tuning your value and cap size factor exposures.
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02-26-2020 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
why do you think it took so long for the corona virus to impact international equities? Seems kind of random for it to affect prices all of a sudden?
Factory shutdowns that cause supply chain disruptions that translate into adjusted revenue forecasts don't happen in a day.

It still happened relatively quickly though. From a boomers perspective. For a millennial I know a month is like eternity.
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02-26-2020 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
News is garbage. Read good books. Bogleheads is the 2p2 of retirement investing.

"Random walk down wall street" would probably be the most eye opening thing you can read about financial markets.

It's funny that you mention a finance degree taught you nothing about this stuff. I know many PhD economists who are straight up idiots when it comes to handling their money.

At the end of the day save a lot and drop it all in low cost diversified funds with a sane macro asset balance. Once you do that your time is spent on other things unless you think it's fun to research fine tuning your value and cap size factor exposures.
got it. for me it's the realization that if I don't invest 10% of $2,000 (discretionary, post emergency fund), I'm not suddenly going to invest 10% of $100,000.

so just want to start early and build good habits. fine with a 6% inflation adjusted return over 4 decades.

also cutting $500 of unnecessary spending a month over 50 years and putting all of it into a roth will equal ~$4,000,000 tax free at 70 (8% interest rate) so might as well acquire the discipline to buy and hold immediately. when everyone else is buying assets that depreciate.

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02-26-2020 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Factory shutdowns that cause supply chain disruptions that translate into adjusted revenue forecasts don't happen in a day.

It still happened relatively quickly though. From a boomers perspective. For a millennial I know a month is like eternity.
well said
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02-26-2020 , 03:06 AM
Plus China lies and is still lying and it appeared that people may have started out by believing their lies
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02-26-2020 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
probably. But put them in a 1/3 environment for similar stack sizes in a completely new game flow 1000 BB deep and a lot of the skills are less important. especially in the first 20 hours or so

games are super easy. but doesn’t mean the most knowledgeable/experienced poker players win the most money, especially short term of course

and if it were so easy more people would quit their jobs to come play out here. especially the single people.
They'll come eventually and a lot of your whales will improve or drop out. Get while the getting is good.


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All of that makes sense!

I don’t really know anything about the stock market apart from the finance degree
USA#1 Education.
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02-26-2020 , 06:33 AM
AA got some sweet blockers to the nut flush though so it can put plenty of hands in bad spots deep stacked as well. I’m not usually deep enough to turn it into a bluff in NLHE cause of its showdown value is usually pretty high, but I do it quite a bit in PLO and the same theory would apply to deepstack NLHE.

Stock market dip is my fault because I invested most of my 2019 winnings recently. Just invested the rest today so prepare for a full correction.
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02-26-2020 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Run some calcs of AA vs 8 random hands on various boards and let me know how you're doing. People aren't likely going to shove top pair 9-ways either.
T98 monotone without the flush draw:
7%

T98tt:
14%

K72 monotone without the draw:
17%

K72 monotone with the draw:
53%

TT9r:
30%

K72r:
37%

JhTh6d:
28%

As you can see AA is a huge favorite on disconnected non-mono flops. Even on mono flops or 3-straights it's a small favorite. Only on extremely rare monotone connected flops is it a sizeable dog. AA is a monster in a bomb pot and I'd be thrilled to swap it from all my normal hands with 66 I get in bomb pots for the rest of my life.

Bomb pots are bigger on average for obvious reasons. I want to play a big pre-flop pot with a hand that is almost always strong on the flop.

As for EV of dark shoving, I'm not gonna do an exact calculation but I'll do some ugly back of the envelope math for some general flop categories. I sacrificed accuracy for speed in several ways so if you think I overlooked something I was likely actually ignoring it, or I just made a mistake rushing. This didn't take me long and I don't want to spend any more time on it because it's not very useful.

Paired (TT9r)
.162 frequency, Lose to 98/1081, 8.6% equity when called, -.809 EV SPR 3 (in fractions of initial pot size)

Mono (K72):
.045 frequency, Lose to 81, 24.6% equity, -.056 EV

Connected (T98r):
.026 frequency, Lose to 84, 12.4% equity, -.492 EV

1-gap (T97r):
.064 frequency, Lose to 68, 13.8% equity, -.230 EV

2-gap (T96r):
.077 frequency, Lose to 52, 16.3% equity, .068 EV

Disconnected (K72r):
.54 frequency, Lose to 36, 21.3% equity, .404 EV

A-high (A72r):
.118 frequency, Lose to 0, 1 EV

Frequencies add to 1.032 so I probably double counted some flops, although I tried not to.

EV estimate of dark shoving SPR 3: .069 antes
EV estimate of dark shoving SPR 5: -.332 antes

Face up dark shoving SPR 5 gets destroyed. Face up dark shoving SPR 3 is idiotic but wins money.
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02-26-2020 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Donat3llo
There are a lot of days in history though, even top 50 is bad.
Irresponsible to make such a bold statement without citing a reputable source...
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02-26-2020 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
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ty DC learning a lot!
DC is a really good guy. Kinda amazing at his age that he's retained as much wisdom as he has from his youth. Everyone knows that you lose it as you age.

He spent his formative years teaching underachiever rural kids to play Monopoly. Huge benefit to society.
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02-26-2020 , 10:10 AM
Played a solid C- today. It’s gonna be a long, brutal trip to Vegas if I do that in a couple days
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02-26-2020 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Donat3llo
There are a lot of days in history though, even top 50 is bad.


These aren’t even close to top 50 down days. Not even close
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02-26-2020 , 10:47 AM
Probably buy as much DIS as I can today.


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02-26-2020 , 11:07 AM
In my service dress uniform today for the first time since last August. Glad to see that it still fits.
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02-26-2020 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
In my service dress uniform today for the first time since last August. Glad to see that it still fits.
No weight lifting eh?
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02-26-2020 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Is that the accident you sometimes reference squid?

I always thought something with heavy machinery hence the screename.
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02-26-2020 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
Is that the accident you sometimes reference squid?

I always thought something with heavy machinery hence the screename.
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02-26-2020 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
I have a couple o questions about pokerz in Tejas specifically austin. I see 4 rooms. They all seem to close in the early am. Bravo shows no rooms. Have any of you played in Austin? What games? how ossum on a scale of 1-13?

thank you
Just to be clear, what you see on streams and vlogs are not indicative of every table you will find here. Like anywhere else the games can be 13 ossum but still need to be in the right place at the right time. Still better on average than pretty much any game you're likely to find elsewhere.

Poast up when you will be in town. I'd love to donate a few shekels to your cause.


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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
can confirm. swings and beats are brutal though.

playing 1/3 $5k effective occasionally is insane and even the best players don’t have 1700 BB poker figured out. there are a lot of whales since the card clubs are relatively new and people haven’t had a chance to go broke yet. some people I’ve played with aren’t even aware that there’s strategy involved. oil/farmer types
This is why I always wear my cowboy hat and boots when I play. Definitely more money in oil than the ponzi scheme that is the stock market.
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02-26-2020 , 12:58 PM
I mean who wants a piece of this?
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02-26-2020 , 01:20 PM
Rick - no heavy machinery, just got really unlucky cuz of some bozo. Almost killed me.
Lost the better part of 3 years of my life. Live with chronic pain to this day. March 1 marks 14 year anniv
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02-26-2020 , 01:20 PM
Is that what oil farmers look like?
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