1/3 NLHE, 9 handed, table is loose passive except for a couple nits. Any 3-bet is pure value. Stacks range from 100$ to H at 1200$ and V at over 2k.

V - African guy whose gone deep. Button clicking. Seems to be playing on winners tilt and very loose. Has shown 9 7 for an open-bet-bet-bet line on a J-T-7-8-4 runout. He's been hitting and getting there on people and keeps betting out for no reason. BB, Covers.

HH - Folds to H on BTN who opens QQ to 10, V calls in SB, fish calls BB. 3-ways. Flop 7-7-4r, x x I bet 2/3rds, only V calls, HU. Turn K. He leads 2/3rds pot, I call. River another 7: 7-7-4-K-7, He bets out 1/3rd and I snap, he shows 84o.

H - 1200$, SB. Has been winning.

----

A thousand limps to Hero in SB who completes with 8 8, V pops BB to 25, 3 callers, Hero calls closing action? 5-ways OOP.

Flop 125 - A 8 4

Hero checks, V checks, some fish bets 35, folds to H who x/r to 150 (fish's entire stack), V folds, fish tank folds.

----

Did I miss value here? Was the call pre too wide? How should I handle this spot with small-mid PPs from blinds when it goes MW?

This looks OK to me. Even with a hand as good as 88, completing from the SB is OK if your most likely result from a big raise is it going 3+ ways and you OOP. After the raise, you're getting better than 5/1 and completing the action when the PFR is deep stacked - you'll more than make your money back if you hit. Seems fine.

Check-raise seems reasonable as well. If BB is as splashy as you suggest he won't (immediately) fold an Ace, most likely neither will the fish who bet the 35 and you're going to start feeling very nervous about a load of turn cards if you just call and it goes 4 ways or something. I mean look maybe your raise did make the fish fold an Ace, but there are other considerations as well and I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Well played

Raise preflop
Pot flop
Pot turn
Pot river
Stack ace x

I woulda donked out there otf for around 65; dunno if you lost any value but once the guy bets small and you c/r everyone's gonna be folding their weak and med. strength hands but who knows maybe they woulda called with a FD and got there so there's really nothing to see here (the flop was alil wet with 5 players in the hand I'll take that all day btjm).

Pre is good. I would sometimes donk flop sometimes check. Balancing my sets with 8xdd and combo draws. I am inclined to cr here given V will cbet so often for us.

My cr size would be half of shortys stack so we can trap V in there and then blast him out. So make it 90.

I think donking from the SB with a set can be a good play, but I don't like it in this spot. I would want to donk in a spot where the flop is likely to get checked through, or where there are fish between us and the PFR. Here, we have an aggro PFR to act behind us and then 3 more limp-callers (at least one of whom is a fish). The likelihood that we can get a checkraise in here is extremely high. We also want to allow for the dream scenario of PFR betting big, multiple fish calling (or raising), and then we get to squeeze huge.

I like how Banana played this hand and I think I would play it the same way. This isn't the perfect result, but that's OK.

Preflop, you may want to squeeze on the limpers, assuming at least some of them will limp-fold. Completing seems ok anyway, and also calling the squeeze closing the action.

As played pre, I would also check-raise flop, maybe sizing it a bit smaller, like 110-120.

Was surprised to not see the first paragraph's point earlier. Seems a great spot for a squeeze, or really a back-raise, given we should be well ahead of V's range, we really don't want to play 8s fiveways OOP. Folding if any of the non-V callers wakes up, ofc. With the back raise, we're letting V make the expected first raise, but our action should be surprising enough to thin the field.

I'm surprised V checked flop with the Ace. Bit results-oriented, but I think I call fish, hoping V gets greedy and sticks it in. We haven't shown strength at all pf ap, just completing and calling. Let's continue that.

This would make more sense if shorty was full stacked and V thought he had fold equity against both of us. Also it’s such a small bet that we are giving weak draws a good price to stack us.

That said, we are also giving weak draws like bottom pair or a set draw a good price to stack themselves

Flopped set multi-way, I donk the flop.

Sent from my SM-G781U using Tapatalk

Well played pre and post.

I would fold pre after the iso. We have a mediocre offsuit ace getting popped to 8.3x. Worse, we OOP to everyone.

The way you played the flop seems fine. Main V sounds like if he had anything on this flop he would have bet out, so it's not super likely we are getting him to call if we just call trying to trap.

I think you did lose value by check-raising, instead of donk-leading the flop.

If you donk, it looks like you have a weak top pair, a strong second pair, or you're on a draw. You're going to get more calls, and might occasionally get raised.

When you x/r, it looks like you have a set or 2P, and you get more folds.

Pre. first time I don't mind raise or limping, will depend a lot on the players but mixing 88 a lot. Mostly calling 77-. Mostly raising 99, and pretty much always with TT+.


Pre. is pretty close the second time closing the action ... you need to win ~220 when you hit, which you didn't in this hand. It's also going to be hard to know if V has something to pay you off or make you fold. Then again it's now 5 ways and you close the action.

On the flop the action should still revolve around BB, he's the reason you are here, so leading with him the next to act is more likely to get him to put money in. The way it went with someone else betting and you check raising just before he acts is the most likely to get him to fold.

You need to get roughly 120 extra into the pot to break even from the pre call, also kind of weird to lead into the PFR on A high boards. I'd guess leading 45 is okay in a vacuum, but it can look bad if nobody thinks you'll lead 98 or even A3.

After you check I'd debate about the raise at all, and if so it shouldn't be all of it. Would probably do 85 as that's 50 more and allows the shove, but I think just call in this spot is very reasonable.