UTG Raises to 10
UTG +1 calls (~180)
HJ (Hero) Three bets to 40 57 Hearts (~300)
Button randomly flats and the blinds fold. (~300)
UTG folds, UTG +1 calls

$133 Pot
Flop is j 10 8 two hearts

UTG open shoves for 140.
Hero is sitting with gut shot flush draw. getting just about 2:1 on my money with one behind to act..I end up flatting (pot ~410)
Button reshoves making the pot ~660 and I have to put in 120 more. (5.5:1)

Am I making an spewy call to the intial shove? What can I really expect to see from their hands? Set, maybe two pair, better flush draw? I feel like I'm drawing well here but am I wrong?

You are asking the wrong questions.

Start by asking
What is UTG stack?
what is UTGs opening range?
UTG +1 flatting range
How big a gap do we expect between opening range and 3 bet calling range
How do they both play post flop?
Do player behind look interested?
What is Hero's image?

After you've answered all that decide they best play pre flop and the reasons why it is best.


This thread is the perfect example of why the other recent thread urging the board "to be less nitty" was pointless.
This play could be fine, both pre and throughout the hand (although i doubt it) but if it was you would be able to clearly rationalise why, rather than dump money in, give us zero details, then ask if it was a good play.

This is not an attack on you OP, just using your post as an example of a common problem in the forum.

The fact that you are asking this about post suggests to me you were just randomly 3 betting a suited connector in position because you read/saw/heard somewhere that this was a good play, when in fact it often isn't.

Hand is butchered, 3betting from the HJ is a losing play, your sizing is off for 1/2, maybe if you make it $50 maybe you can rep a real hand preflop and maybe button folds,

On the flop, its an auto fold, I can't preach enough how much you want to be the aggressor in most 3bet pots. If guys are open shoving flops, fold your 75 its bad for your image anyway, showing down a hand like 75s you will look like a donkey and it hurts your confidence.

I see you pretty much make decisions on pot odds, for 1 2:1 is not good enough, your second time around you got good pot odds because of a bad flat post, you do no want to play a multi-way pot with a 7high flush draw, your only moves when villain shoves is raise or fold. Calling is a leak and it potentially gives yourself good odds oop to call because of bad play. Kinda like l/c pre. Position is key when drawing being last to act is awesome.

I think the call on the flop is slightly negative EV. You are getting about 2:1 on a call, but you can't count on the gut shot to give you the best hand. Furthermore, a set/two pair make up a fraction of UTGs range, which limit your flush draw outs.

But most importantly, you are dealing with a very wet board and you don't know what the button will do - this means that you aren't guaranteed to get two cards for a call. I know the button shoves, but he could have flatted. What's your plan if button flats and you brick the turn? A check on the turn may lead to a bet by the button, which would probably make you fold.

All factors considered, IMHO a call is slightly negative EV.

TY for making our lives easier.



LOLWAT?

Nothing wrong w/ light 3-betting, the problem here is villain's stack size. The plan when you light 3-bet is to steal the pot postflop, and here the pot is so large compared to his stack on the flop you have no chance of getting him off any reasonable hand. If you each started w/ $300, and he raised to $6, then a 3-bet to $18 would setup a great situation postflop where your bluffs will have a much higher chance of success.

3 betting here with no reads is just bad. It's usually a reasonable call with position but its not even an auto call. I think ABC autopilot poker is fine starting out as it will take a while to make reads and watch the table and figure out what people are doing but I would strive to improve, figure out peoples ranges and weaknesses and not make fancy plays until I had a better feel.