1/3 NLHE

This is a line I see a lot in my local game and I'm wondering what your ranges are like here, obviously depends a lot on player types, but against a typical loose-passive semi-knowledge reg.

Couple limps and hero opens to 15 in late position, one or two callers OOP, say V1 is BB and V2 is a limp caller. Say hero has TT for our example.

Flop (3-ways, 45$): K-9-6 hss two-tone.

check, check, H bets 1/3rd for protection/thin-value against a FD or some random 9X, say V1 folds, V2 calls.

Turn (HU, 75$): K-9-6-A hssc

check, H checks back, his tens haven't improved and he thinks there's no value to be had.

River (HU, 75$): K-9-6-A--? hssc? let's imagine different river cards here an what we would do if V2 potted it.

Leaf 1: A V2 bets 70.

Leaf 2: 4 brick V2 bets 70.

Leaf 3: T you bink a set but obv FD comes in V2 bets 70.

Leaf 4: A another overcard but no spade and less likely he has an A, V2 bets 70.

Let's say you're deep with V2, like 500 behind OTR. How are you handling these spots? I see them all the time now in my game (now that I'm paying attention). Hero has a value hand, opens pre, gets a call or two, flops a bottom value/top marginal hand, cbets IP, gets a call or two, doesn't improve OTT, checks to get to showdown, Vs interpret the check OTT as weakness and bet river (but sometimes have it because they were chasing).

Thx.

First off, I would maybe raise to 15 if your normal raise is smaller and facingbjudt one limper, but with multiple limpers, going much larger. Flop I would strongly consider checking. Or, bet like $10 for protection. Then if they bet the river, they are a little more likely to have a weak hand and fire and you might consider bluff catching.

Also, if you do cbet this, I would consider it more if you have the Ts. Gives you some backdoor equity that can help you on different runouts, maybe give you an opportunity to bluff. If you do bink a set, you, it doesn't bring in a flush.

Leaf 1: Probably fold. You have an under pair to second pair and they are betting pot when a flush comes in. But if there is a case here for calling light, there are tons of straight draws on the flop that did not get there and a limp caller will be very wide. If you have a spade, I might consider bluff catching a little more.

Leaf 2: Play the opponent, but strongly lean towards calling.

Leaf 3: Always call.

Leaf 4: it is fairly likely they have an ace. Nut flush draw? I mean they are clearly a rec if they limp called you, but are they bluffing their junk a lot or just fit or fold hoping to bink? Maybe call if it's the former.

"H bets 1/3rd for protection/thin-value against a FD or some random 9X"

First off, stop doing this multiway. Multiway requires either strong hands or good equity. Hands that require protection are neither. So, that's just a wall you're going to beat your head against constantly. Protection is of very little use when players share burden of defense and therefore don't have to continue nearly as much individually as they would heads up. So your protection bets lose a ton of value.

For the scenarios, it's obviously player dependent, but mostly fold except the set and sometimes the brick. TT is toast against two overs in a multiway pot.....generally speaking. You can raise/fold the set if you're deep enough. And sometimes call the brick depending on player.

Also, flush draws are a pretty bad metric to base bet sizing and frequencies on. They are a very small part of ranges overall (obviously a bit more so when multiway, but still).


A better metric is if there is either a straight already possible or an OESD possible. Those will affect your bet size and frequency far more than flush draws. Especially in passive LLSNL games where V's are playing a *huge* amount more non suited hands than they should be playing.


Flush draws are just about the most overrated part of LLSNL. As flush draws are in villain's high equity part of their range and they are calling regardless. So it's not something we care about 'charging" in reality.

I will note that 87 is an OESD on this flop, and gets there on T rivers.


I honestly don't mind bet or check on flop. Much happier to check QQ. It isn't HU, but it's not like it's 6 ways either. Helps to know if V1 is auto calling $12 with 60%+ range because lolz pot odds.

When V2 calls I expect them to have Kx,87,ss most of the time and 9x some of the time. So when the A hits turn I don't mind betting $50-60, we still get value from draws they can't fold and it puts a lot of pressure on Kx (limper mostly has KJ/KT or even worse).

Checking flop and getting this turn is also pretty good, people will rando lead into you with Kx ignoring the A or Ax just because you checked back flop. Then if it checks to you it's an easy half pot bet.


As played river is a very chaos/dependant spot ... are they "bad" enough to decide Kx is a good river bet because you checked turn, or the kind to just randomly fire with any draw that missed because they have air and you checked turn. Can see arguments for fold all rivers and call all rivers tbh.


I doubt I ever raise Ts, both flop draws hit and sometimes people have random QJ. Also when we are good people will fold a lot.