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QQ vs. aggressive opponent QQ vs. aggressive opponent

12-14-2013 , 06:41 AM
Eff. stacks: $365

$1/$3 after midnight on a Friday.

Villain is a young kid, nice guy who plays aggressively and recently got stacked when he hit a full house on the river but his opponent had a royal flush. He will push with his draws and try to maximize his fold equity.

Villain has a good image of hero as we've played together before.

Hero has QQ.

Villain limps UTG. Hero raises to $25 UTG+1.

Everyone else folds. Villain calls. Villain had earlier asked 'Why so much?' when I had raised to $25 a couple of times. We had been involved in a hand earlier when he folded AQ on a Q78 board when I had a set of 8s. I bet. He raised. Two spades. He had raised my $25 c-bet to $70 and had about $120 behind, so I shipped and he tank folded.

Villain calls and says 'I'm not folding this one.'

Flop is T73.

Not a bad flop. He checks. I bet $37. He raises to $80. I call.

Turn is a 2.

He bets $130. I ship for $260 total.

I thought with the blank turn that he had missed all his draws, which I felt made up a large part of his range. He should never have two pair. Sets? Sure, they're possible. But hard to flop.

Who would have 3-bet the flop or would you rather flat (or fold) and then who raises the turn (or folds the turn)?
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12-14-2013 , 07:03 AM
I wouldn't 3bet otf, just not shallow enough.

I don't see JJ ever taking this line, which hurts a little. Although I don't see KK+ ever either. Draws more likely than TPTK. If a 6 or J hit would you have shoved ott too? Or you only put him on hearts?
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12-14-2013 , 11:28 AM
When I first read over this HH, I considered your line to be standard. 3betting the flop reeks of lost value, so I like your flat on a 1073hh board. Shipping over his donk on the turn is fine too, since Villain is getting 4:1 on a call and can only really fold complete air. So, the only real cause for concern is the history between Villain and yourself and the issue of whether Villain is levelling you or just tilting (I mean losing to a royal flush when you have a boat is likely to test most players' mental strength). His comment "I'm not folding this one" obviously can be taken in two ways: meaning either he's got JJ+ or he just wants to outplay you. If he's slow-played KK or AA then I would just say 'nice hand' and move on; and if he's got 10s or JJ it's like whatever. The fact is that he's limped called an UTG+1 raise of 8x (what's up with the sizing), so he can represent the top of his value range, but against 10s+/AK your hand has 50% equity preflop and 40% equity on the flop (which remains constant on the brick turn), so it's not like you're ever getting it in bad. Of course, you have to ask Why is he not 3betting preflop with at least half of this range? Have you folded to his 3bets preflop much in your previous encounters? In other words, what's his motivation for just calling from OOP with his premium range preflop? In the end, you have to consider whether you're missing value in the long-term by nitting-it-up with this hand on this board. I suspect that you would be.
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12-14-2013 , 11:44 AM
Don't 3b the flop.

Seems like overcards, top pair to the board, 22-88. I discount any higher pairs given Vs description and limp call.

I'd shove.
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12-14-2013 , 12:10 PM
pretty standard nh
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12-14-2013 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
I wouldn't 3bet otf, just not shallow enough.

I don't see JJ ever taking this line, which hurts a little. Although I don't see KK+ ever either. Draws more likely than TPTK. If a 6 or J hit would you have shoved ott too? Or you only put him on hearts?
It would have been a tougher decision had a 6 or J come. I don't think he's ever slowing down on the turn, no matter the card, as we see.

I think I'd have folded a 6 or J. It was going through my head to see a blank and get it in on the turn.
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12-14-2013 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DrTJO
When I first read over this HH, I considered your line to be standard. 3betting the flop reeks of lost value, so I like your flat on a 1073hh board. Shipping over his donk on the turn is fine too, since Villain is getting 4:1 on a call and can only really fold complete air. So, the only real cause for concern is the history between Villain and yourself and the issue of whether Villain is levelling you or just tilting (I mean losing to a royal flush when you have a boat is likely to test most players' mental strength). His comment "I'm not folding this one" obviously can be taken in two ways: meaning either he's got JJ+ or he just wants to outplay you. If he's slow-played KK or AA then I would just say 'nice hand' and move on; and if he's got 10s or JJ it's like whatever. The fact is that he's limped called an UTG+1 raise of 8x (what's up with the sizing), so he can represent the top of his value range, but against 10s+/AK your hand has 50% equity preflop and 40% equity on the flop (which remains constant on the brick turn), so it's not like you're ever getting it in bad. Of course, you have to ask Why is he not 3betting preflop with at least half of this range? Have you folded to his 3bets preflop much in your previous encounters? In other words, what's his motivation for just calling from OOP with his premium range preflop? In the end, you have to consider whether you're missing value in the long-term by nitting-it-up with this hand on this board. I suspect that you would be.
If he had AA or KK, I'm 95 percent sure he 3-bets being OOP.

As for sizing, it's my standard size - and generally the standard size at the stakes - for $1/$3.

I like my opponents to make bigger mistakes pre, which leads to bigger mistakes on flop, turn and river.
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12-14-2013 , 06:51 PM
Pretty standard indeed. Think you played it fine sorry if he had 1010 or 77
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12-14-2013 , 07:16 PM
Grunch: in position like this against a player you know will go after draws, the superior play IMO is to flat and allow him to make much bigger mistakes with his entire range on the turn which it seems he's doing most of the time. Nice hand.
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12-14-2013 , 09:08 PM
I agree with this line b/c you are ip and facing an agg opponent. TT and perhaps 77 are less likely given his descript. After a bad beat I can't see limp/calling JJ+ either, so I'd lean toward over hearts, 9h8h and of course monsters like 77/33.
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12-14-2013 , 09:15 PM
Shipping the turn is ok with this spr but i'd rather flat. I'd rather give him rope ship his air/busted draws/random **** on the river that we might fold out otherwise by shipping turn
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12-14-2013 , 09:41 PM
I like how you played this hand. Flatting the flop raise likely gets him to commit himself ott. No reason to not raise his turn bet, it's a min raise and I can't see him folding anything other than Ahx. when he shows you the T7ss relax and wait for the running 2 to hit otr.
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12-15-2013 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
I wouldn't 3bet otf, just not shallow enough.

I don't see JJ ever taking this line, which hurts a little. Although I don't see KK+ ever either. Draws more likely than TPTK. If a 6 or J hit would you have shoved ott too? Or you only put him on hearts?
in what games do you play in where a young aggressive player limps JJ utg? magical christmas land poker?

OP, hand is standard.

i like the line you took. i think you are way ahead of a limp/call range on this board texture. i am really only worried about 33 but expect to see JT-AT and flush draws/combo draws more often.
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12-16-2013 , 04:36 PM
I like the big raise that narrowed the field and got us HU in position. If table is really loose/aggro (where narrowing the field is difficult), nothing wrong with limp/reraising either.

On the flop the SPR is just under 7. You're going to have to ask yourself if you're comfortable stacking off against this guy with an overpair here. Against a super aggro guy who attempts to get people off their hands, you might be happy with committing here. In which case, I guess I don't mind your play.

Myself, I'm not fistpumpy about committing in this situation, so I would check back the flop in order to attempt to get him to do his bluffy thing while not playing for stacks.

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12-17-2013 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by pikkupossu
in what games do you play in where a young aggressive player limps JJ utg?
Which is why I said "don't"

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Originally Posted by pikkupossu
magical christmas land poker?
Good one.
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