Main villain is a very loose fish who has been running extremely hot vpiping like 80%. He seems relatively passive, although he does bet when he has a hand, but he is mostly check calling, but he has been making a lot of hands. In a previous hand vs him i flopped a set in a multiway pot and check raised his flop bet large and jammed turn for about 2/3 pot more when top card paired and he found a fold to my surprise which i wasnt happy about.

2/3 w 10 button straddle.

Hero opens red QQ UTG to 40
Fish in CO calls, BTN (decent tag player) calls

Flop 9s 6s 3h

I thought about checking here, but I decided to bet due to the fish. In retrospect i like check better.

Hero bets 70 into 110, CO fish calls, BTN folds.

Turn Th for 9s 6s 3h Th
Not a great card for us completing T9 and 87. Fish definitely has all the offsuit combos here too, plus he has 96 and T6, possibly even 63 from what ive seen.

Hero checks, CO fish bets 125 into about 250.

Hero?

stack sizes?

assuming like $1k stacks, nh imo so far, call and see a river

flop is probably best as 50/50 bet/check, checking more if youve been checking more often recently and betting more if youve been betting more often recently. obv if checking flop its to c/c only.

Depending on stack sizes, but mostly check jamming turn.

If you are 100bbs deep in the hand just jam flop.

I forgot to say we are like 800 effective. If i started the hand at 300 i would definitely just jam flop.

Yeah just jam the turn.

so $800 is different from $1k imo

flop spr is 6-7 oop vs 2

seems like the play is to c/r flop 1/3 of your stack, jam good turns and check bad ones

if spr was 10 i think jamming turn is a bit of an overplay

i dont think open jamming flop ever gets called by worse. maybe the math guys will say that its +$5 in EV to open jam flop vs other lines because of FE. guess you have to weigh whether you can mentally handle losing $1k in 5 seconds to a flopped set or winning $80.

also is this straddle every hand? i.e are you really playing 5/10? if so arent you shortstacking?

I think jamming turn is a massive overplay. A lot of these players won't bet draws OTT and will X back pairs so their turn stab becomes very strong.

I think betting turn will be better because if he raises it's an easy fold and you still get value from a lot of his hands. If he is passive then it actually get's a bit close when you X and he bets.

Him being a fish actually hurts you here since he has way more value than a normal reg would.

It is kind of gross how nitty you have to be when you play live in certain spots because online it's just a x/r jam ez game but live players are scared to bluff.

idk man. sizing really doesn't look like we're beat

As opposed to jamming flop vs 2 villains in a board that favors callers.

$125 is a huge bet for 2/3.

It doesn't matter that it's only 50% of the pot because you have to think about the sizing from a Fish perspective. They go by absolute amounts and not % of the pot.

It's SPR based and it's only because the fish will probably call you with any pair/draw and it's very unlikely your beat.

There's a big difference between betting to get called and check-raising a bet. A bunch of player profiles literally never bluff this spot when they stab.

I like a flop bet of $35, with a check/call on the turn.
A bet of $70 on the flop eliminates a lot of the floats that could bluff a check on the turn.

It's been a while since I read Miller's book, but I am pretty sure that he said that it was worth getting your stack in with one pair hands when the SPR was 4 or less. By contrast an SPR of 8 and above is very awkard for one pair hands and it's preferable to pot control.

This is how I would play it too for the same reasons. Also important to note the suits on your QQ.

there's a 10$ straddle and he bet 70 otf. it just doesn't seem like that holds true as much as it might in other circumstances. i think you're going to see indicated player type show up with like 9x/tx here quite a bit

i think this is mostly gonna be a check/call down spot, guys like this have too much spaz range, he couldve called flop with like T2o in honor of doyle and bet out his top pair cuz he thinks its good.

If hes actually playing an 80% range im not super worried about T9/87, since he had a million combos like Q9 or T7 or who knows what.

The way to think about it is that loose players can have more absolute value of the nutted hands, but it makes up less total percentage of their range, so im not too scared of T6, not cuz he cant have it, but because he could have a million other holdings.

Yes that is a theory play but I was saying if we started with 100bb at 2/3.

I am sorry. If we were 100BB deep at 2/3, presumably OP raises to something like 5BB so the pot is 15BB. The SPR would have been 6.3.

As things are now with the straddle to 10 and Hero's raise to 40 and effective stack at 800, the pot is 120 and the SPR is.... 6.3.


EDIT. I get it. You mean 300 starting stack but with the straddle still on. It's still iffy IMO three way but more defensible .

I agree check jam turn would be a massive overplay here. Any fish except the absolute worst drooler is capable of folding top pair to a massive jam like that.

The fact that hes passive and very wide preflop is also a negative in game in my mind because he has so much more value here when he bets vs a tighter player considering he is pretty passive overall.

I think this is a super close spot.

I agree with you on betting turn. As soon as the hand was over i was thinking I shouldve bet turn myself for like 100. Even though fish is pretty passive even he might find a bluff when i blast flop and then check turn on a board that heavily favors him.

I think bet turn for 100 and check river is a better play. I think fish is much less likely to bluff river vs turn bc they are heavily skewed to showdowns and happy to get there and check back w mid strength and weak hands rather than bluffing them.

I dont like my turn check.

Yes if i started w 300, open to 40, 2 calls, 120 in the pot and 260 behind, i would just push my equity and jam flop happily. Its a large pot w little maneuvering room postflop so better to just jam in that case

It isnt every hand. There are like 3 guys straddling. Max buy in is 500 though anyway so ive built up a stack. I hate that they do Button straddle. I will do UTG straddle if everybody is but not button, it can actually hurt action bc the blinds normally always call but they find folds when they have to act first.

This is true. I see this all the time where fish will say, "why so big?" when a guy bets 200 into a 400 something pot.

So i read the fish bet of 125 here as pretty strong. This guy does bet hands, but he does a lot more calling and when he has bet hes never bet this big and ive seen him check all his middling hands to this point. So im reading a good amount of strength here.

One thing i dont like is that I may have induced this by betting large on the flop and checking turn and fish think oh he must have AK obviously.

I think I prefer a turn bet of 100. If i get raised i can safely fold and if im called i think i can check river and fold if he bets because i dont think hes betting any 1 pair hands for value on the river like ever.

i hope you didnt xf to this