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Originally Posted by milo magpie
As it played out, I chose to just call and set mine, and ended up getting 3 callers behind. The flop came out 8 high, with 3 hearts. I was holding two black queens. I did not like leading into 4 players in a bloated pot on this board, so I checked. The utg player went all in for his remaining $10, got a call, then villain made it $75 to go. At this point I decided I probably was best to cut my losses and folded. Villain had AKo, with the A of hearts, and won the pot with A high. I think we have agreed that I made a mistake preflop, but what about post flop?
Try not to post results until you get full input on a hand. It's hard for most anyone to comment very objectively if they know the results.
As played, yeah, you shouldn't fold. It's a weird spot to hold QQ oop facing 4 villains without initiative in the hand. That's certainly an unusual spot.
I would probably shove over villain's raise. We're relatively shallow (flop is ~80). But I dunno, if you want to manage variance, you can probably just fold to the flop raise. You played it pretty weird, and now 3 other villains are going to play a monotone flop pretty well against you.
Doesn't really matter what you do now, to be honest. It's not really a situation you should be in, and it shouldn't be part of the plan for your hand.
The flop play should have some continuity with pre-flop (like, OK, I'm going to call pre here because villain is really wide, but the other villains are likely to fold given history, so I think I get heads up or maybe 3 way often, then I"ll check/shove literally any flop that doesn't look like AKx because villain c-bets so incredibly wide and his range is so wide to start).
I don't think the above thought process really makes sense - it's not meant to be a real plan - but it's an example of how you might get to the flop with a plan of action. You really didn't have a plan of action. I guess you planned to set mine, right? And you didn't make a set. And now you face a bet, a call, and a raise, and you need to shove or fold now.
It's probably perfectly profitable to shove, and that is what I would do in this situation, but you had a plan, and you can stick to it and fold.
Basically, not sure flop advice helps much because we should never be in this spot.