1/2 London

H image: Early 20's, Winning TAG in these games/cardroom, although don't recognise anyone at this table. Been active but always had the best hand at showdown. Covers V's.

V1 image: Late 20's, spewy, probs watches a lot of poker on TV, etc. Shuts down in super big pots without it but very capable of triple barrelling with air, assuming we fold hands we are never folding vs him. Stack 600.

V2 image: Mid 20's asian, seems on the beter and tighter side of things, not been at table too long. Stack 400.

OTTH

Straddle to £5, V1 opens to £20 UTG+1, Hero flats UTG+2, (BTN just sat down and said something about playing 2/5 or bigger but no games running atm, has been squeezing frequently) folds to V2 in BB, calls.

FLOP: 445r (£66)

V2 checks, V1 checks, Hero bets £40.
V2 in BB calls, V1 folds.

Turn: 4 (£144) completes rainbow.

V2 checks, Hero bets £90.
V2 calls.

River: J (£324)

V2 moves AI for £220.
Hero?

3b pre

what do you guys think about checking back turn as hero is probably not getting 3 streets here vs V2's calling range? Like you said, he is on the better and tighter side of things. i dont see V2 calling down with 66-99, maybe TT. Also have this hand pretty much locked up on turn.

Like flop and turn as played. River is a fold, lose to a few 4X, 55, weirdly played JJ maybe. He plays no worse hand this way.

98% nuts, 2% air. Stop trapping pre.

People aren't sophisticated enough to out-sophisticate you.

Prefer just raise pre, but as played, this is ok as long as you fold river.

How much did BT have behind?

I hate to join the choir and make the obvious statement, "3bet pre'" but it's by not 3betting that we are in this predicament.

With your reads on V2 as tight I'm having a hard time seeing what hands he's value shoving river that you beat. He's check called every street and now jams river. This line screams strength, especially at 1/2, and especially flops like this. I expect to see 4x and 55 here a ton if you call, which is the reason I think you should pitch it.

BTN had 600

Ok, I probably have to jump on board with 3-bet pre then.

If BT is squeezing a lot and is going to feel priced to call a 4-bet jam from you I'd like a flat there, just get all the money in pre HU against a range you're in good shape against. Since you're both too deep for that to happen, yeah just 3-bet pre.

I'd bet smaller or bigger on the turn.

as played- I'd be more inclined to call the river if the J didn't land, because most players get a little scared of the J if they wanted to shove with 99/TT even though it makes no sense for the J to hit you. BUT it could also be a 66+ pair that is shoving because they know they are never folding, and would rather just shove than have to face a decision of calling.
Overall I am calling because I am stubborn, but am open to other players folding

you're not underrepped

Not sure you know what underrepped means there wiffle, cause that's exactly what OP is here going to the flop.

we're at the river

Fair enough, perhaps disguised would be a better word then.

Point is villain never expects to see QQ from hero based on being underrepped pre.

Villain may or may not expect hero to have strong hands in his range, but he never expects QQ is one of them.

we have exactly what it looks like we have

An overpair to the board, yes.

But it's important that we have an overpair villain thinks we can't have simply because it makes our range wider. He probably thinks we have more like 66-TT he doesn't think we have QQ-AA, but we do. Thus if he has 99/TT we have the chance to get action we wouldn't other wise get from those hands had we 3-bet pre and repped our hand more accurately.

i suppose that's true

Which Is why bet turn / fold river works . I can't think of a hand in his range that does this that we beat that is comfortable enough to flat pre, ck-c flop and turn and ship river for value especially when the Jx hits. We can have some Jx in our bluffing range which adds to the rarity that V shoves 5x, 66-TT.

I agree with wiffle. That's why I think air is as low as 2% here. It's super hard for him to bank FE here, IMO at least.