FWIR
Villain seems straight forward for most part.Looser but not to crazy.Has raised limpers from all positions including BB and straddle.Very little 3 betting at table.I'm Tight,have not ****ed around yet.

I have 500+? he has me covered

hand:

possibly 2 limpers,folds to me on button,I raise to 15 with QQ,BB calls,limpers fold.

Flop: JTx r
villain checks,I bet 25 or 30,35? He calls
-I put him on decent Jack or str8 draw

Turn: Ace
Villain checks,I bet 50,Villain rr 100 or 125 more
-Thought about checking.But maybe he could possibly have KJ and I didn't want to give up control of hand.Once he raises obviously it's KQ or AJ.I put him on AJ though.Standard fold I guess.But my question is,is my bet good on turn.It seems good to me.Checking turn and getting bet into on river and folding seems so weak. Obviously the Ace is bad and hits range.I'm only beating KJ on turn.

How often are you check/folding compared to betting that turn?

Good as played......If called......Check down river.

If you check this turn here you pretty much have to be prepared to call a river.

Nice hand. I think if you put villain on a jack or straight draw, you have to go for value on the turn, but easy fold to the raise.

I'm always very skeptical when I see this type of phrase. Try to explain what you are afraid of in terms if EV. IMO it is a meaningless phrase.

In fact, quite the opposite should be true, where we are actually taking more control by exercising our positional advantage of checking OTT, exploiting an opponent who expects us to bet.

As for the hand, it really comes down to how many Jx and Tx hands he can have. If he doesn't have j5s and the like in his range it is a clear check. He is ahead a tonne, he's not calling with that many worse and the stuff behind doesn't have that much equity.

Betting because you are scared to get bluffed is bad. On the river you just have another decision to make. If he bluffs too much exploit him by callimg, if he plays straightforward exploit him by folding. Easy game.

Preflop and flop look standard.

The Ace is the worst card in the deck as now a bunch of hands that play preflop/flop the same way just got there (AJ/AT/KQ/AK/AQ). I don't believe there is much reason to bet here. Small pocket pairs that peeled the flop are folding and might even pay off a river bet. Other one pair hands + draw might pay off one more river bet. Plus we've now picked up a gutshot and have some outs to move ahead of hands that just passed us. I check the turn and depending on opponent *might* pay off a small bet on the river.

ETA: I don't hate a bet on the turn, but obviously we're folding to a raise. I just don't like it as much as checking behind, especially when we've just picked up outs to the nuts.

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I'm with gobbeldy and quesuerte in that I'm not clear on the motivation for a turn bet.

I do think there are plenty of opponents we want to barrel into here: if villain is fairly loose and not very good, he can peel flop and turn with a fairly wide range including KT, QT, KJ, QJ, 98, Q9, and he may even peel with a gutter or bare weak Jx or Tx (or worse).

Otherwise, against most villains, we're betting with a pretty weak hand into a terrifying card on a board that crushes a tight-aggressive's range, and also crushes an averagish regs cold-calling range from the blinds (although at live 1-2 250bb deep I suspect he's calling pre kinda widish but whatever).

Against a lot of players I'm checking back turn and mostly folding river to a bet.

(Against a very aggressive player I would consider calling river).

Could you say a little more about why you like barreling the turn?

Turn is a clear check behind. What were you expecting to get value from? You have position yet you decided to reopen the betting for reasons unknown to yourself. Always have a reason for betting...if he is straightforward as you say, simply check behind and play poker on the river.

I like the turn check also. You control pot size then more also. He may be 50-75 on river but then you don't have as big of a decision for your stack. You can call if you think that he has a busted draw (unlikely, or fold )

I mostly agree with he post I quoted below, expect if it came to it I would rarely be paying off a river bet, probably never unimproved.

thanks quesuerte. Good post. Pot control,control of hand,see where I'm at,etc. in terms of betting. I'm aware these are dinosaur terms or phrases that make for bad poker and are no justification for betting.But I'm still a dinosaur and I allow these to creep into my game still.

At the time I bet it was 1)not to lose control of the hand.I was thinking that instead of checking and possibly calling a bet on river in the 50$ range,I would just bet that myself on turn to "see where I'm at".lol I guess this is not a reason to bet and I should have checked and reevaluated river after his action.

and 2)I thought it was possible he could have KJ and I could get 1 more bet out of him for value and check river. But honestly he probably rarely has that here if ever and thats the only hand Im beating so I should have checked.

I have a tendency not to think things through as well live as when sitting behind a computer.I'm someone who needs 20+ seconds to make a decision sometimes and I end up rushing because I'm worried about tells

Dont beat me up too hard Snafu'd.It hurts
KJ.Like I said above it was a bad decision. I had reasons for betting but I guess they weren't reasons for betting lol.He's straightforward from what I've seen but hes a reg that says he plays for a living.Just because I have not seen any deep bluffs does not mean hes not doing them. Shown down I mean

I would check the turn for VALUE. My logic:

We put him on a range of a straight draw or J. What kind of SD hands call preflop from the BB? KQ, Q9, 98s. We have two blockers to KQ and Q9 so those are unlikely, and there are only 4 combinations of 98s. We don't expect 98o to be in his range, but if it is we still hold blockers against an OESD. So we can risk allowing a free card since his range is weighted towards a J.

Our opponent is loose and in the blinds so his top pair range is fairly wide. Betting the turn will most likely only get calls from hands that beat us since a weak J will be scared of the board. It also gives a hand like KJ a chance to raise us off our hand. If he has AJ we have a lot of equity on the river that we can utilize for free by checking.

The river is where we see our extra value. If a blank hits we can get looked up by a weak J or pick up a bluff from a missed draw. If another coordinated card falls we have the opportunity to bluff a hand like AJ, or get some thin value from it if the card was a K or Q. Our position is a huge advantage in this hand, and with a good read you can use it to gain 1 extra bet or lose 1 less.

+1

addition: if you fold he can fold KJ on the turn but bluff bet the River then check and call river bet for more value.