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01-06-2019 , 01:47 PM

golferguy09

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This hand the other night at a 3-300 game. Give me your thoughts...

UTG straddles for $6 ($250)
I am UTG+1 with QhQs ($180)

I raise to $20

2 MP positions call, button calls and UTG defends
$101 in the pot

Flop 5d3d7s

UTG check
I bet $50

MP shoves for $150
2 other players fold and UTG check shoves
I have $110 behind..... what would you do?

I have only been at the table for about 40 minutes and have not seen the UTG player get out of line too much..

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01-06-2019 , 02:14 PM

browni3141

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Snap calling. Both players likely have all overpairs below QQ in his range, along with flush draws 7x and some pair+GSSD depending on how loose they are pre and post-flop. We can't plan on folding an overpair ever when there is this much money in the pot pre with only $160 behind.

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01-07-2019 , 01:32 AM

twitcherroo

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Super easy call for those stacks. Plus, raise more pre. $20 is asking for a family pot.

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01-07-2019 , 02:39 AM

PFunkaliscious

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that is a damn juicy price. hard to fold when you know that at least one of them has diamonds and the other one could just have an overpair.

so you have to call 110 to win like 560. Kinda sucks that you don't have the Q

because if you bink your set, it is probably no good.

Could go either way on that flop without an detailed description of your V's. But for metagame purposes, I would probably call.

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01-07-2019 , 02:42 AM

krilleater

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Snap call. They can be spazzing with worse over-pairs or draws very easily and you're only losing to flopped sets.

In general, never folding an over-pair in a pot with a 2:1 SPR.

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01-07-2019 , 12:01 PM

mdelore

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lol dude come on you have like 35 straddles and an overpair.

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01-07-2019 , 12:21 PM

tmo1120

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I reaaally like a check on the flop; this board hits their calling ranges a lot harder than your range as the pfr; I like a check/shove if one player leads and it folds to you bc you'll be HU

I think this goes bet from MP and then UTG x/r if you checked flop ; in this case I find the fold and don't really care about it that much

the stack sizes make it kinda awkward tho, I think you wanna go at least 30 pre-flop to avoid this situation, 30,35, or 40 is all ok

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01-08-2019 , 11:00 AM

golferguy09

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Just a quick update on the hand.
I ended up folding for the following reasons.
1. I did not have the Qd
2. Xr from UTG, just screamed strength to me, at the moment.
3. I had not been at the table very long, and had not seen too much maniacal play.

If I had the Qd, I am snap calling.
Ended up that MP had Pocket 10s and UTG ended up bricking out on a straight draw, not even a flush .
TT wins.

Maybe it was a bad fold, but I thought UTG had me beat at the time.
Thanks for all your replies.

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01-08-2019 , 11:21 AM

TPTK77

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Originally Posted by golferguy09

1) If the effective stacks were much larger - say 150-200bbs, this would most likely be a fold. Being that you started with 60bbs and 30bbs with the straddle, this is never going to be a fold. You have got to just go with the hand. I'd probably call off 99+ here.

2) You actually don't want the Qd. If you have the Qd, you actually block combinations your opponents can have if they are on a FD. Since you don't have the Qd, it's more likely they are on a FD vs a made hand etc.

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01-08-2019 , 08:21 PM

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krilleater

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Originally Posted by golferguy09

This is terrible thinking and folding in this spot is very bad.

Not having the Qd is a *good* thing because you unblock flush draws. This would be even more irrelevant with Aces (no diamond).

Folding an over-pair in a <2 SPR pot is basically atrocious and a huge leak. You're going to get run over by your opponents if you make these folds.

They're repping a very narrow range of hands which beat you here, and many of those hands wouldn't even shove here.

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01-08-2019 , 08:48 PM

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Howard2018

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Only criticism I would make with your fold is you were getting better than 4 to 1 (if my math is right).....sometimes I get caught up in a hand and totally forget to think about odds....

the check/shove screams "I FLOPPED A SET" to me -- in my game, you rarely see this kind of move from someone with anything less than 2 pair

In fact, I'm trying to remember last time I saw someone get caught bluffing after check/raising (not that I play in super tough games)

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01-08-2019 , 09:25 PM

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DumbosTrunk

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Bet more on the flop. Call.

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