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03-15-2012 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SNGplayer24
i mean you want him to get ak in against us.....
Huh?
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03-15-2012 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TakenItEasy
Huh?
?? if we have qq, surely we want someone with ak to put as many chips in the middle as possible.
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03-15-2012 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SNGplayer24
?? if we have qq, surely we want someone with ak to put as many chips in the middle as possible.
No. You loose equity vs AK.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.636% 59.64% 01.00% 398268804 6654942.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 39.364% 38.37% 01.00% 256219872 6654942.00 { 88+, AJs+, AQo+ }


Hand 0: 46.237% 45.60% 00.64% 2940375960 40999120.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 22.402% 18.81% 03.59% 1213173252 231334972.00 { 88+, AJs+, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 31.361% 28.28% 03.08% 1823578512 198565000.00 { AKs, AKo }


Heads up equity:
855 x .606 - 355 = 163.13

With AK:
3010 x .462 - 1255 = 135.62

It's closer than I thought but still.
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03-19-2012 , 06:10 PM
Shove. Why flat here? Villain 1 is almost never calling the 400 if you flat, and the rare chance that he does (AKs?), you put yourself in a weird spot seeing a flop OOP w/SPR .75?

I agree w/BoredAtheist: shove > fold > call

edit: didn't see page two when I wrote this. I very much hate the yuckiness of flat, then V1 re-ship. Hurts my soul.

Last edited by Mtnracer; 03-19-2012 at 06:14 PM. Reason: didn't even see page 2
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03-19-2012 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TakenItEasy
No. You loose equity vs AK.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.636% 59.64% 01.00% 398268804 6654942.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 39.364% 38.37% 01.00% 256219872 6654942.00 { 88+, AJs+, AQo+ }


Hand 0: 46.237% 45.60% 00.64% 2940375960 40999120.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 22.402% 18.81% 03.59% 1213173252 231334972.00 { 88+, AJs+, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 31.361% 28.28% 03.08% 1823578512 198565000.00 { AKs, AKo }


Heads up equity:
855 x .606 - 355 = 163.13

With AK:
3010 x .462 - 1255 = 135.62

It's closer than I thought but still.
I found this analysis interesting, but not sure if it is quite right. For one I think you need to separate out the side pot.

Main pot:
Heads up EQ = $855*0.60636 - $355 = $166.47
3 handed EQ = $1215*0.46237 - $355 = $206.78
(so your equity actually goes up in the main pot, or if V1 only had $400 as well)

Side pot = 900*2
Side pot win% = 56.8%
Side pot EQ = $1800*.568 - $900 = $122.40

So, I think you get are +$166.47 against V2 (assuming a 88+ range) and +329.18 against both V1+V2, if you get it all-in PF.

Let me know if you think my analysis is wrong, but you want AK in there.

It does not answer the question of whether it is better to push or flat the $400, but my personal preference is to push to avoid flop play.

Last edited by tapeworm; 03-19-2012 at 07:30 PM.
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03-19-2012 , 08:08 PM
if we flat it's not for AK to overshove. some players can overplay JJ or TT if they put us on AK. They also may make a mistake with them by just calling. playing a flop vs his range should not be very difficult with less than one psb left. Unlikely villain ever bluffs us out in this spot.
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03-21-2012 , 01:21 AM
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03-21-2012 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tapeworm
I found this analysis interesting, but not sure if it is quite right. For one I think you need to separate out the side pot.

Main pot:
Heads up EQ = $855*0.60636 - $355 = $166.47
3 handed EQ = $1215*0.46237 - $355 = $206.78
(so your equity actually goes up in the main pot, or if V1 only had $400 as well)

Side pot = 900*2
Side pot win% = 56.8%
Side pot EQ = $1800*.568 - $900 = $122.40

So, I think you get are +$166.47 against V2 (assuming a 88+ range) and +329.18 against both V1+V2, if you get it all-in PF.

Let me know if you think my analysis is wrong, but you want AK in there.

It does not answer the question of whether it is better to push or flat the $400, but my personal preference is to push to avoid flop play.
You're right, I neglected to consider the side pot.
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