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QQ first hand at the table what's your play? QQ first hand at the table what's your play?

02-12-2013 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Angrist
Raise pre is fine, hell iit could be BIGGER and not be bad.

Your raise sizing on the flop is awful if you don't intend to go to the felt with this hand. It's so small that it looks really weird and weak, which makes it likely to induce a raise from the villain. Since you're inducing, you should be ready to get the money in before you decide to do it.

I can't range many hands that call you pre that hit that flop. Maybe an A2, maybe 77. Other than that you're way ahead of his range.

If we flat we've got about a $200 PSB left. Then what turns do we like seeing OOP?
A flush sucks, an A sucks (many of his FDs should be Axs), a 7 isn't ideal either. I guess that's about 1/3 of all turns that *might* be bad for us. So we're probably jamming most turns, but we're OOP so were likely to get called only (mostly) when we're beat. Which leads me to prefer jamming now and letting the villain make a big mistake when he thinks we're FOS.

tl;dr: raise more the first time, shove now.
[ ] OOP

We shove all turns when checked to

Call all turns that aren't a club

Soul read an ace (that's the only card I'm unsure of what to do)

Sidenote: do we have the Q?
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02-12-2013 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DreamIsDestiny
[ ] OOP

We shove all turns when checked to

Call all turns that aren't a club

Soul read an ace (that's the only card I'm unsure of what to do)

Sidenote: do we have the Q?
aaaand that's what I get for posting while in a meeting.

Yes, this.

But I'd probably raise if he leads for anything other than all in on the turn.
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02-12-2013 , 04:46 PM
Raise more on the flop. $32 just gives flush draws the right price.

As played, I'm not sure it's the easy ship that some are advocating unless I have a strong notion that our villain is a maniac. Villain donks small, gets raised by the PFR and then 3bets on the smallish side again = extremely strong line from your average low limit reg. I think we can safely start to discount 7x or 88-JJ. One of the overwhelming themes from the 5 tips to beat LLSNL thread was that when our opponents show large amount of strength/aggression towards us, they are revealing their true hand strength to us a high % of the time.

AA/KK are unlikely because of the flat pre but not impossible. I think the majority of his range here is a 2xs/A2/77/nut clubs. Against that range we are in bad shape and I don't mind folding.
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02-12-2013 , 05:31 PM
i think the vast majority of villains are not coming back over the top with a flush draw because they desperately want to see that turn card and will not want to re-open the betting with a raise. they will not expect you to be coming over the top on the flop with air -- say AQ, AJ -- so your raise to them should say, 'my hand is made.' so then they're going to continue to semi-bluff with a FD anyway? i don't think so.

i do think AA and KK are in his range -- would not be the first time some 'tricky' dude has slow played a monster -- though less likely than 99-JJ. also remotely possible that he's betting out with A2/K2.

most likely we are ahead here. i say let's use our position to our advantage on future streets. call here and let him bet on the turn. if he checks, bet turn and same on river. passive, yes, i just think we're way ahead/way behind and shoving serves little purpose.
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02-12-2013 , 05:35 PM
oh, and i like the pre flop raise sizing. that's my standard for opening from EP, though i frequently end up having to boost it. that's the most tricky thing about getting a hand early on -- not knowing the standard PFR sizing. makes all the difference between the ideal 1-2 callers and 5 callers or no callers.

on flop, that raise has to be 45 or so. 32 is basically meaningless -- it's 20 back to him in an $83 pot and it looks too weak.

Last edited by floppedawheel; 02-12-2013 at 05:36 PM. Reason: said flop, meant pre flop raise
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02-13-2013 , 11:40 AM
1/2 is not for the fencing, 1/2 is for the two handed hack. Sometimes you die, more times you kill.
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