1-2 Mohegan Sun full table

Hero (~175) Weak image, shown a couple failed bluff attempt due to being card dead and playing hands like Q8dd.

Villian (covers) loose drunk 30's white guy. shown down back to back failed bluffs and talking loudly with everyone at the table. Playing nearly every hand since he sat down about 30 mins ago.

Hero utg picks up QQ and opens for 11

folds around to V in SB who 3bets to 25

Hero Flats

Flop (52) 555

V checks

Hero bets 20

V shoves

Hero?

Against nearly any other V this would be a snap fold I know but against this guy who was literally caught bluffing hand after hand I could bring myself to throw it away. Is there enough chance of this guy having AK here or is it strictly KK+ even given his image?

I am NEVER folding here. You just said guy was playing every hand and bluffing a lot. He could have any pair or air, plus you have a weak image.

Easy call

Lol call

I agree. Easy call, and if he happens to have the last 5 - oh, well. Reload and get it back from him in a future hand.

Lee

You've got it backwards, this is a snap call against almost all villains. I saw this almost exact hand tonight. A loose passive player check/shoved with 55 on a 777 flop and got snapped off by QQ. People spazz out on these flops and play any PP for the nuts even against a preflop raiser who obviously has a big pair.

Have you seen villain 3bet at all during your time at the table?

Snap call here.

Snap call. Sometimes he will show up with the nuts but don't be results oriented. The majority of the time he will show up with smaller pairs, air and overcards.

Yeah

Raise more pre ~ $15

I actually don't mind flatting the 3 bet here, as it disguises the strength of your hand and you have position on V.

As played, easy snap call.

Sorry you got coolered but this really shouldn't be much of a discussion..

Not sure how this could be a snap-fold versus most villains either lol

Wondering why you don't 4 bet pre. Drunk villains will snap call with worse all the time. This is a snap call on the flop of course.

This was a red-flag for me too.

1/2 player's 3-betting ranges are typically KK+. And shoving ranges are near nuts. Shoving $150 into a $72 pot doesn't make a whole lot of sense with AK. The only hand we beat that might 3-bet and we beat is JJ.

Even maniacs pick up a hand, too.

Unless v has shown the ability to 3-bet oop with air and shove on any flop, I don't see how this is fist-pump, high-five the dealer call.

Not so fast.

Has he 3 bet preflop yet? That's a huge consideration. The fact that he has played every hand and bluffed post flop does not mean he's 3 betting lightly. Honestly, I'd not be super excited to be putting money in in this spot. Id have to be there to decide. This is not the slam dunk others say it is.

This is a very important consideration, given you read on villain. Most opponents at the low levels are only 3 betting JJ+, and more often than not, they are doing it with AA, KK, and sometimes AK. Nevertheless, you need to consider what other ranges villain may have.

Your read on villain indicates that he may very well be capable of 3 betting light with another pocket pair. Since he's been playing so loose, I would more often than not make the call here. He may have just another pocket pair and realize he's flopped a boat, not considering your holdings here. Villians that are incapable of seeing beyond their own hand strength are Level 1 players, and that means they are playing solely based on their own hand strength.

The only hands you're worried about here are AA, KK, and 5x combinations. You are WAY ahead of the majority of his range. If you do run into these hands, then its a cooler in my mind, and making the call is plus EV given the number of hands you can beat here.

grunch: snap call

perfect board for a drunk egotistical guy to bluff at. i wouldn't be surprised to see a smaller pair than yours. i wouldn't be surprised to see rags.

my first reaction to reading your post was "why didn't you 4 bet?!" but then i thought... well because villain is bluff happy and this allows him to do it. i think you played it well and i think it worked exactly as hoped. if he has AA, KK or 5x then i'd just consider it a cooler and rebuy full and wait to make money off this guy.

Top off.

If your other Vs are so tight that this would be a snap fold otf, then it was a set mine preflop. If it were a setmine preflop, you called an extra $14 preflop to win $200 ($50 preflop, $150 left to get in the middle). 200/14 = 14.3 and that's borderline on setmining odds. The point I'm trying to make is flop folding makes no sense. Fold pre (I don't think Mohegan's fish are that tight though) or snap call otf.

4! to 70 PF and GII OTFvs this guy, too bad he actually had it this time (or this wouldn't be a thread)

Snap

This really is a trivial call. Even if you give villain a generic 3betting range of JJ+, AK we are a 53/47 favorite. If you add AQs to his range we are a 55/45 favorite. If you add TT to his range we are a 60/40 favorite.
Also, the SPR is 3 on the flop.

Hellmuth tackle chips into the pot.

I think you're underestimating a 3 bet range even from a maniac if try haven't already been 3 betting like a maniac. It would be helpful to know if he's already done this before or if he's shown down some 3 bet table hands before. I'm not saying I wouldn't make the call. Just that I wouldn't be dancing around the table.

V isn't 3 betting with a 5 in his hand. Snap call, he could have any pair.

Did villain make a big shove on those failed bluffs? How aggressive is villain PF (not just on 3-bets, but in general)?

With the info in the OP I'm calling.