Wondering if I made the right play here.
1-3NL, I am sitting at ~$600
UTG ( Villain ) limps for $3
UTG+1 Raises to $10. Frequent raiser with a broad range of hands. Will call 3bets with Ax suited
Action folds to me in middle position and I look down to see QQ. I 3bet to $35.
Player to my left raises all in for approx $80.
Folds around to the BB who calls for the ~$20 left in his stack.
UTG does not take a considerable amount of time ( less than 20sec ) and shoves for $205.
Folds back to me where I tank to see where I am at. UTG has pushed with AKo pre before, and has also folded KK on an 8high flop to my AA as well. The table has had pretty frequent raises so he very well could have limped with AA or KK with the intention of re-raising from UTG.


What would you have done?

I'm folding and waiting for a better spot.

That's a pretty easy fold IMO. 4 bet and then a shove, man those ladies look pretty pre, but facing that action, gotta give 'em up. It's mostly the 5 bet; in fact, the 4 bet - at live, the range for that in my experience is KK+.

I've seen AKss folded in a 4 bet pot live enough to where a 5 bet to me = KK+ pre. Most live players won't even 4 bet AKss, they'll call maybe and hope for an Ace. Or King. And if they hit a King, they'll put you on AQ. But that's only in 3 bet pots.

4 bet + pots are reserved for the very narrow range of KK+, IMO.

Short stacker might ship any pair or two broadways, but since you're not heads up... I am thinking UTG has KK+, and BB has broadways or PP. Either way, I'm thinking get out of the way here and crush on another hand.

grunch- this is very villian dependent but in a vacum i am calling... vs a tight old grandma it's an easy fold, vs a drunk guy at 3 am it's an easy call, and vs everyone in between it's kinda close... but for 70 bigs i am getting it in here

Ok, question... it's only 70 bigs. Yet are we really ever out in front? Given the exact situation described by OP, are we ever slightly better than a coin flip?

For a coin flip I'd snap take it, but for worse, it's a fold to me.

Fold and it's not even close. UTG has been waiting all night to limp-shove his aces and got his chance. Even if he has AK, you are racing. There is no way I'm calling 175 for a possible chance to be in a coin toss where there is also a good chance, even if he has AK, that I'm losing 80 to the button and winning 125 from UTG on a coin flip.

I'm not happy about it at all.
But I think that I have to fold.

If you've got someone laying down KK on 8 high boards, the dude is likely pretty nitty. I can't see a call being +EV here.

Grunch
I would have called. It's possible v limped with AA or KK, but I think this looks a lot like a smaller pair or Ax, who doesn't want you in the hand.

After further review

Ok, I was using the reads for UTG+1 on this...still probably calling for $175, the pot is already $140ish plus v's 175 makes pot $315... Meh, probably calling.

People give people way too much credit sometimes for laying down kings...think of all the times you are at the table and it is just soooo blatantly obvious someone has AA that they might as well lick the back of the cards and stick them on their forehead... I'd need details of how the hand played out prior to the lay down to give credit for that.

Limp/cold 5bet shove is Ax? Ever?

Where do you play?
I'm moving there right now. Literally.

Against a range of AK and QQ+ this is a profitable call. OP, do your own math in the future. You'll get better response. I looks like you're almost getting 2-1 to me.

I said I was using the wrong reads for v.

But seriously, I see this a lot in multi AI pots where one guy just takes a shot with any ace and immediately follows it up with the speech "I shoved because I didn't want any more callers" ... Seriously...a lot

This is a pretty simple fold without giving it a second thought. The player to your left is easily JJ+. BB who cares about him but then UTG snap-shoves that is always KK/AA. Maybe if he tank shoved you could conceivably put him on AK+ but even then it's a coinflip at best.

Muck your cards facedown and watch JJ crack AA with a set on the flop.

I did ultimately end up folding, however villain never showed as the player to my left made a set of 8's to win the pot. The only thing he said was that he did not have enough to beat the set.

You had him beat, if he had AA or KK he would have made a fuss about it...Oh well... It's tough in these 1/3 games, I wish everyone played by the book and made the perfect moves the way they are supposed to, but it rarely works out that way in 1/3. This screamed AA or KK if you look at it from the point of view of someone who knows what they are doing, but at this level, you never know....drives me nuts.... Hopefully you got him later.

For all those saying fold, you have to put the Villain on an exact range of AA, KK, or QQ for this to be correct. But I assume AKs and AKo are in most players L/R AI ranges here as well. OP offered no player tendencies for our Villain. Furthermore, I can't believe that no one else here is talking about the overlay in the pot. These are the considerations that are necessary to make a correct action. And until other contributors and the OP start thinking about poker in this way you're just guessing.

I just think people give v's too much credit. I get the fact that in a perfect world where v's play the way we would, it's an easy decision what to do...but at this level, those a players are few and far between... I try to identify the solid players as soon as I sit down, and I actually prefer playing against them because the standard lines generally are accurate...but against most 1/3 players you really have to think outside the box.