villan is loose agresive regular

me with 350$
hr has 400$+

he raised 16$ from utg+1 there was a stradle,
i 3bet 52$ with QsQc,
he calls

board 4c5cJc
i bet 60$
he calls
turn 2s
i bet 120$
he raises 240$
(i have like 120$ behind)??

obviuslly i am commited is there a fold here? do i lose here for sure? do i have outs?

my line was very bad? should have cheacked behind for pot control on turn?

It seems to me you didnt have a plan for the hand and we're just kinda like oh no... just got raised for the rest of my stack.

With it being a monotone flop I think I shut down on most turns and will call a smallish river bet if they lead into us. Otherwise I will just check back there too because I dont think we get value from alot of hands that we beat except for maybe AcJx.

As played though I dont think I can find a fold getting almost 5:1. I cross my fingers and hope I'm drawing to a safe flush with Qc.

you might not want to 3 bet this this deep. Really depends on the villain.

I'd check back the flop personally and go for thin value on the turn.

nh, wp. You are <100 bb deep with the straddle.

You can't fear getting c/r every time you don't flop the nuts, there is plenty value to be had here.

After 3betting pre I think you have to bet/call this flop. Assuming he gets it in with AA and KK pre then yeh ur outflopped by JJ but have a legit flush draw and are flipping with the AKo combos which have clubs which are pretty much all your really expecting to get it in against. I'd bet 85 and expect to be c/r by a lot of hands we beat so snap call. We're only drawing thin to AcAx and KcKx which I doubt we're running into here.

However I probably wouldn't 4 bet pre (his raise is a 3 bet since the straddle is a raise) especially since his raise is coming from UTG so hes not just targeting dead money.

+1 to all.

I don't mind the 3 bet that much as long as you are willing to mix it up and not only 3bet with QQ+. However I would want to check/call turn since I think it would allow flush draw hands to throw in a semi-bluff or a top pair jack to bet and "protect" which wouldn't happen if you bet out. Just feel that if you bet turn some villain may fold those hands.

As played I'd call the shove?

My preference is to bet more OTF. You have an over-pair and the third nut flush draw. A significant part of his range is behind you, and most of that calls more. By betting more you extract more value.

Considering a check OTF or a check OTT is monster-under-the-bed-syndrome. It's weak poker because it loses value.

If villain has AK, the hand is a gross cooler. What other hands raise UTG+1 and call $52 that flop flushes? You have the Q so that takes away KQ and AQ; the J is on the board. There just aren't that many flushes in the villain's range...

He could have AT, AK.

He could have AxA, or Kx:K.

This part of his range crushes you, and includes 8 combos.

He might also have JJJ. But against JJJ, you aren't very far behind. Three combos there.

Given the preflop action, I doubt he has 44, 55, or a srt8.

But AKx is also in his range, and so is AQx. It makes sense that he'd shoves with both of these hands because he turned an gunshot to go with this FD and over-card draw. There are 5 combos there.

He might also have AJ. There are 12 combos there.

That's a very tight range. You are crushed by 8 combos, have decent equity against 3 combos, and you are ahead of 17 combos.

By betting OTT you are extracting value because more than 50% of his range is behind you, and he will call with worse.

By checking OTT you lose value because he is willing to call with worse OTT, and a significant part of his range is worse.

This is what I've learned from the Medium-High-Full-Ring regulars.

As played call OTT. But I prefer larger bet sizes OTF and OTT.

EDIT: Other random hands in villain's range might crush you. For instance he might have A3x. But if you include this hand, then the villain is a fish, so you can also include KJ.

+1

WTF is going on here.

How can you give OP grief over 3betting pre with QQ LOL. Seriously, people come on here.

Good post Princess. Pretty much nailed it.

In a nutshell, you beat a ton of hands that would shove here and you have outs to hands you may be behind. More than enough equity to feel good about getting it in here.

yeap prince nailed it .... thx

just for the story i lost the hand he had Ac9c and i was drawing dead...

after i lost it, it felt like i overplayed my QQ... when i start thinking it throught it seamed to me that my line wasnt that bad... just wanted to have a couple more opinions! now it seams clear to me at least...

OP, you played it fine. Obv, you ship the turn given stack sizes. Villain is someone I want at my table, anytime someone wants to call a 3b OOP w/A9, I'm ok with it. Tough break on that flop.

Okay so he had A9. He openned to $16 UTG with A9. Then he called $36 more to see/play a flop OOP against you, who he probably hasn't seen run a bluff.

Given that, how do you think he would play AJ? Certainly he would call PF, because he is calling ATs. Certainly he would not fold TPTK, given how he played ATs. And certainly he would have called a pot-sized bet OTT with TPTK.

Here is what you should remember. And this is very important. You ran into the very top of his range. And therefore you lost. But you could have beaten more than 70% of his range that stacks off to you.

70% of the time he is stacking off to you with worse. Only 30% are you stacking off to him. You ran into the top of his range, a range that includes many more combos that you beat, then that beat you.

You ran into the very top of his range.