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11-03-2011 , 06:45 AM
1/2 game at Star City.

Hero is in Cut off with approx $280. Have been at table for 50 minutes and have been very active. Have taken down several big pots pre flop without showing down then lost one big pot at showdown with J high flush.

relevant villain is UTG +2 has $150 approx. Lost half his stack on a bad beat and then started openly tilting. Consecutively open raised to 20, then 25 and then 30, taking down each pot uncontested. Hero has twice limp reraised him pre flop and taken down the pot.

UTG raises all in $12

Villain smiles at UTG 'I'll chip you up' calls $12

Hero in Cut off sees Qd Qh. Raises to $50.
Folds to Villain who takes 15 seconds to call.
(pot 115)

Flop Kd 4s 2s

Villain pauses, looks at chips, bets $40.
Hero?

my read is that he has a K, but can I find a fold here?
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11-03-2011 , 06:54 AM
I'm never folding for 40 here getting almost 4 to 1. I call and reevaluate on the turn.
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11-03-2011 , 07:14 AM
I'm never calling here. Why would you call? And then fold the turn if he bets again and it's not a Q? Pretty weak...

I'd put him all-in.
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11-03-2011 , 07:46 AM
whoops, didnt realize after villain bets 40 he only has approx 60 left, you're right. Put him to the test. There will be too much money already out there for him to go away with a lot of hands you have beaten.
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11-03-2011 , 07:48 AM
I think you could make a case for all 3 options. I think I like folding the least because there is a draw on board and the bet came from a tilting player. I don't mind a call if you plan on calling non-spade turns, though you'd be getting a decent price even if a 3rd spade comes. I think I like shoving the best, mainly because you only have $60 left after the call.
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11-03-2011 , 09:08 AM
this one could go either way
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11-03-2011 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
my read is that he has a K, but can I find a fold here?
Yes.
If your read is that he has a K, you're like 8%-5%. Fold.

However, if he has A7, you're coinflipping.
If he has A4, you're 3:1.

(He could also have 444, in which case you're around 10%- but perhaps this is too pessimistic?)

So, the question is how sure are you of your read?
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11-03-2011 , 08:31 PM
Pretty happy getting it in here given your read on villain. He could have any piece of the board, a draw or air

Calling is out of the question due to the low SPR
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11-03-2011 , 09:45 PM
Min raise and watch him spew
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11-03-2011 , 09:50 PM
my read was that he had a K, but it couldn't have been a K he was super happy with. He would have 4 bet KK and give he's tilting, he's pushing AK here pre flop.

So my read after his pre flop play was that his range is K10-KQ as well as mid pocket pairs and potentially the nut flush draw. If I were him, I'd have me on 1010+, AK as well as some bluffs given my play towards him to date.

I chose re-raise him all in to charge him bad odds for his draw and maybe fold out a K if he thought I was playing AK.

He took a minute to call.

Turn was Q
River was 6s

he turned over KJ off and called me a donkey three or four times before storming off.

thanks for the input - I know I got lucky in the end, but wanted some feedback on whether my play was OK to that point
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11-03-2011 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
my read was that he had a K, but it couldn't have been a K he was super happy with. He would have 4 bet KK and give he's tilting, he's pushing AK here pre flop.

So my read after his pre flop play was that his range is K10-KQ as well as mid pocket pairs and potentially the nut flush draw. If I were him, I'd have me on 1010+, AK as well as some bluffs given my play towards him to date.

I chose re-raise him all in to charge him bad odds for his draw and maybe fold out a K if he thought I was playing AK.

He took a minute to call.

Turn was Q
River was 6s

he turned over KJ off and called me a donkey three or four times before storming off.

thanks for the input - I know I got lucky in the end, but wanted some feedback on whether my play was OK to that point
I think shoving was a mistake. He will never call AI as a bluff. Know what I'm sayin'

Also, his range consists of much more than kings given your read. He's spewing, he could have anything from mid pair up weighted towards non-nut hands.
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11-03-2011 , 10:01 PM
Richy, he only started the hand with $155 or just over, so min raise is only $30 less than his stack - is that still the right play?
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11-03-2011 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Richy, he only started the hand with $155 or just over, so min raise is only $30 less than his stack - is that still the right play?
No, then I probably peel. This hand is a wonderful example of the gap principle: His shoving range is much wider than his calling a shove range.

Against a guy who's tilt-donking out every chip you put in is for value. Shoving SLIGHTLY reduces the odds he'll put everything in with 88-66 and eliminates the chances he'll bluff it off. I prefer to check/call. never fold if your reads about him tilting were accurate. He could have just been playing you and the table, picking up premium hands and hping everyone would think he was tilted. This is why we can't put TOO much stock in an outlying trend of 4 hands.
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11-03-2011 , 11:06 PM
Fold, this is a king about 99.9% of the time
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