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10-20-2023 , 01:06 PM
I mostly plugged my leak in the SB but now suspect errors around opponents taking initiative postflop.

Stacks are 200 effective. V is a regular friendly loose-passive South Asia who drank beer as a teenager in Dubai. In his accented English, he has talked to me about how happily he open-limps, calls limps, calls bets with small pairs to win the high hand and suited connectors to make a straight, a flush, or both.

OTTH

Limp, hero with QdQs on the button raises to 12. V in BB calls. Heads-up.

Flop (23 after rake): 7cTdJd

V checks, hero bets 15. V raises to 30. Hero tank calls.

Turn (79 no more rake): 2c.

V bets 30. Hero?

Last edited by adonson; 10-20-2023 at 01:18 PM.
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10-20-2023 , 01:40 PM
Just call the turn. It's fine so far, could be Jx.
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10-20-2023 , 02:08 PM
Call. Not a great spot but cant fold without a lock tight read on this guy raising only 2 pair plus.
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10-20-2023 , 02:46 PM
I'm not thrilled with the spot. I'd rather not have Qd here bc I want V to have it. We block logical SDs, so I suppose V has J9s, FD or maybe 7d6d, 8d7d. V obviously has some 98s and we'd be dead.

We can call, but we would invite certain river aggression. Pot would be 139 and V would have roughly 130 behind. I think we should fold turn unless we're prepared to call down getting 2-1 on the river. With QQ, I think we'd be at the bottom of our calling range and it's a thin spot on river.

The alternative on turn is to raise/fold. But the pot size is awkward and V's flush draws would be priced in.

Cry-call I guess and I agree with Larry and Playbig I guess, but I'm less enthusiastic.
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10-20-2023 , 03:05 PM
Wet flop like that with the worst over-pair, facing a min-click check-raise, and not particularly deep: I’m reraising his $60 to all-in. Way too many bad turns force us to guess or make him shut down—we are shallow enough that V needs to call with all his Jacks. I get it in now, rather than waiting. (I think there’s a better argument for just calling the check-raise if we had AA rather than QQ, but I honestly think at this depth we should be ripping in all of our value hands on the flop.)

If we’re going to put all our money in on this board anmyway—and I think we should—shoving the flop is the best way to do it. You’re only losing value if he has a total airball bluff, and he really shouldn’t have any on a JT7 board.
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10-20-2023 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Wet flop like that with the worst over-pair, facing a min-click check-raise, and not particularly deep: I’m reraising his $60 to all-in.
I tanked on the flop, thinking about raising (please forgive me that I also considered folding). On the flop: do you suggest raising to 60 and calling a jam by V? Or folding to a jam?

Last edited by adonson; 10-20-2023 at 05:52 PM.
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10-20-2023 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by adonson
I tanked on the flop, thinking about raising (please forgive me that I also considered folding). On the flop: do you suggest raising to 60 and calling a jam by V? Or folding to a jam?
V check-raised to 60 and only has 130 behind, right? Only size you can really raise to here is all-in.
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10-20-2023 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
V check-raised to 60 and only has 130 behind, right? Only size you can really raise to here is all-in.
V min raised the flop to 30 in the flop and donked 30 on the turn.
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10-20-2023 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by adonson
V min raised the flop to 30 in the flop and donked 30 on the turn.
I totally ****ed up, I’m sorry. Yeah, you’re right, reraise to about $100 and call off a shove.
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10-21-2023 , 07:43 PM
Same bet is usually weak. He hit top pair but when you call he’s not sure it’s good. I would call. Play fifth street chicken
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10-21-2023 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
Just call the turn. It's fine so far, could be Jx.
On the flop. I asked myself, does V min raise AJ? Seldom. He regularly buys in for 200 and his stack dribbles down slowly because he limps into many small pots, rarely raising. I have seen him call down three streets of value with tptk. On my read, his min raise was “I have a really good hand and I don’t want my opponent to fold so I will raise only a little.” On my read, his small bet on the turn suggested he wants to get value now and hopes his opponent calls.

When I ran the equity with a Vs range of 77, JJ, TT, JTo, KJo+, I was surprised how much QQ is ahead here. In the hand, I ruled out Jx because V was so passive.
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10-21-2023 , 08:12 PM
Results

Hero folded and wrote down the hand. Hands that I write down I often played poorly.
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10-22-2023 , 01:58 AM
same bet on turn - i have top pair and i dont know what to do with it.

so either call or raise, depending in villian's stack.
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10-23-2023 , 06:50 AM
What does everyone think about davomalovio’s suggestion to jam the flop after the min raise?
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10-23-2023 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by adonson
What does everyone think about davomalovio’s suggestion to jam the flop after the min raise?
I am on board with re-raising and calling a shove otf.
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10-24-2023 , 10:02 AM
I think call turn as played. Some of his value range can consist of Jx, and he's giving you a good price. If he jams the river maybe we can get away as it looks like he has 92% pot left if we call.

I don't think we need to 3bet on the flop. Let him reveal more about his hand strength. We have two more streets to play in position.
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10-24-2023 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by adonson
On the flop. I asked myself, does V min raise AJ? Seldom. He regularly buys in for 200 and his stack dribbles down slowly because he limps into many small pots, rarely raising. I have seen him call down three streets of value with tptk. On my read, his min raise was “I have a really good hand and I don’t want my opponent to fold so I will raise only a little.” On my read, his small bet on the turn suggested he wants to get value now and hopes his opponent calls.

When I ran the equity with a Vs range of 77, JJ, TT, JTo, KJo+, I was surprised how much QQ is ahead here. In the hand, I ruled out Jx because V was so passive.
If that was your read on him then I would heavily consider folding to the min-raise. He does sound like the type to have at least two pair plus here and def. not Jx trying to see where he's at or trying to shut it down before a king comes out.

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Originally Posted by adonson
What does everyone think about davomalovio’s suggestion to jam the flop after the min raise?
I think it's burning away money, but that's just me.
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