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11-25-2020 , 12:36 PM
5/5 NL

Hero on button with QQhd ($2000)
LJ raises to $50
HJ, CO call
Hero raises to $215
LJ ($2500) and CO ($800) call


Flop ($695):
743ccx

LJ and HJ check
Hero ???

The $50 open is pretty huge considering no limpers and no straddle, but this opponent has been feeling pretty frustrated for the past hour. He seems to be card dead and trying to make things happen with whatever playable hand he can get.

The CO is a pretty snug older Asian lady who I have a bit of a history with. She is usually very strong when continuing on any street and only raises whenever she has an absolute premium (AA, KK). She will flat QQ and AK.

Getting 2 additional callers after the $50 open is a bit uncomfortable and I contemplated flatting given the CO is in the hand, but going multiway with this hand in particular just sounds like a disaster and I would rather get value now and thin the field to reduce any kind of postflop mistakes.

I think I could've made my raise size a bit larger? Something like $250-$275?

On the flop the board is somewhat dry for a pretty sizable 3bet pot. LA players are usually very call happy and there are only so many combos that would continue. I can safely eliminate AA and KK so I essentially have the best overpair in this spot. 65 is not very likely and all the possible sets with the exception of 77's.

The only hands I see continuing are AKcc specifically or all other overpairs below QQ's.

I would think firing on the flop would be the best option, but for how much? I tend to have a leak in my bet sizing where I usually bet half pot more often than not, but I would love some more info as to when to raise 1/4, 3/4, full pot, etc.
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11-25-2020 , 12:43 PM
I don't play these stakes so take what I am going to say with a grain of salt.

I would probably bet close to 275 on flop, most likely check turn to pot control, and then evaluate bet/fold (1/2 pot) river.
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11-25-2020 , 05:27 PM
With a SPR of less than 3:1, there is no "pot control." If the villain called you with less than a big pair, they made the mistake, not you. I'd bet 400 and just get it in if he raises.
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11-26-2020 , 09:30 AM
Bigger pre. With a deep tilting LJ I am tempted to exploit size up to 350-400. If they cracked us they deserve the money - set up a turn jam
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11-26-2020 , 11:20 AM
You don’t have 77s, 44s, 33s, 56s here (I’m assuming) and this particular Main V potentially has all of that so I’m not super excited to get it all in there with one pear.

Would checkback range multi-way here at this stack depth and hope for a brick turn.

Yeah, we want to bet but getting x/r creates a myriad of problems we don’t have a good solution to with our range. They don’t need to be actively exploiting us, because they presumably have far more nutted hands.

350+ BBs with one pear is almost always an overplay post flop on a board with three non Broadway cards as the 3-bettor. It doesn’t matter who V is.
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11-27-2020 , 08:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
350+ BBs with one pear is almost always an overplay post flop on a board with three non Broadway cards as the 3-bettor. It doesn’t matter who V is.
With standard open to 20 and 3b to say 150ish this would apply. But with super sized open and potential to 3b to 400 we are committed imo.

Even at this sizing at spr 2.5 I’m ready to blast off
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11-27-2020 , 06:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonbryan
5/5 NL



Hero on button with QQhd ($2000)

LJ raises to $50

HJ, CO call

Hero raises to $215

LJ ($2500) and CO ($800) call





Flop ($695):

743ccx



LJ and HJ check

Hero ???



The $50 open is pretty huge considering no limpers and no straddle, but this opponent has been feeling pretty frustrated for the past hour. He seems to be card dead and trying to make things happen with whatever playable hand he can get.



The CO is a pretty snug older Asian lady who I have a bit of a history with. She is usually very strong when continuing on any street and only raises whenever she has an absolute premium (AA, KK). She will flat QQ and AK.



Getting 2 additional callers after the $50 open is a bit uncomfortable and I contemplated flatting given the CO is in the hand, but going multiway with this hand in particular just sounds like a disaster and I would rather get value now and thin the field to reduce any kind of postflop mistakes.



I think I could've made my raise size a bit larger? Something like $250-$275?



On the flop the board is somewhat dry for a pretty sizable 3bet pot. LA players are usually very call happy and there are only so many combos that would continue. I can safely eliminate AA and KK so I essentially have the best overpair in this spot. 65 is not very likely and all the possible sets with the exception of 77's.



The only hands I see continuing are AKcc specifically or all other overpairs below QQ's.



I would think firing on the flop would be the best option, but for how much? I tend to have a leak in my bet sizing where I usually bet half pot more often than not, but I would love some more info as to when to raise 1/4, 3/4, full pot, etc.

Lol Jesus Christ. Open to 10x and two calls? Whoever says poker is dead is crazy.

Definitely needs to be more on the 3 bet. Like 300-350 is good. You’re deep.

Size appropriate to make the turn a shove on a blank. Like 450. It’s big for this board, but this hand is already off the rails.


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11-27-2020 , 06:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
You don’t have 77s, 44s, 33s, 56s here (I’m assuming) and this particular Main V potentially has all of that so I’m not super excited to get it all in there with one pear.

Would checkback range multi-way here at this stack depth and hope for a brick turn.

Yeah, we want to bet but getting x/r creates a myriad of problems we don’t have a good solution to with our range. They don’t need to be actively exploiting us, because they presumably have far more nutted hands.

350+ BBs with one pear is almost always an overplay post flop on a board with three non Broadway cards as the 3-bettor. It doesn’t matter who V is.

I would say this is true, but V basically 3x’d the stakes preflop with his ridiculous open size. Getting in here is closer to like 150 bb


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11-28-2020 , 02:49 PM
IMO this hand is now set up to stack off with your overpair so proceed with that plan.
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11-28-2020 , 07:40 PM
I would have made it $250-$275 pre (like you suggested). I would be continuing any non A or K flop. I don't like the two clubs and somewhat coordinated board though I doubt any one but the possibly tilted dude is down there. So this flop bet is $400. We call any c/raises or jams on flop.

With a call OTF I would jam any turn because we cannot fold now...

(if my thought process is off plz let me know)

Last edited by lovedaphils; 11-28-2020 at 07:59 PM.
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