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QQ in 3-bet pot on low flop QQ in 3-bet pot on low flop

06-10-2014 , 07:29 PM
Hero (£280) - Pretty new to the table, haven't been in many pots but has a tight/passive image.

Villain (£400) - Bad reg in his 40s, loves to just limp/call pre a lot, doesn't raise to much, pretty high VPIP but pretty low 3-bet %. Doesn't really like to fold any draws/one pair hands either. The type of guy you could get 3-streets against with AK on a A high flop.

EP raises to £12, Villain in MP raises to £36, Hero has QQ on button, hero flats. EP calls. My reason for flatting was because I had never seen V 3-bet and so assumed he was playing the top of his range (1010+ AQs+) so by 3-betting where I'd make it £85 I'm probably getting him to fold the weaker part of that range ie 1010/AQ/JJ and keeping in his AK/KK/QQ/AA range. If the board comes low cards and he has AK/AQ I expect him to check flop and I'll take it from there. However I may be wrong here since he doesn't like to fold pre and I don't think he's folding 1010/JJ just yet so a 4-bet could be better here and at least I figure out where I am if he jams since I think he flats 1010/JJ/AK and jams KK/AA/QQ


Flop
9 3 4

Villain quickly donk leads for £80 representing strength. Hero?? Keep in mind I have another guy to act behind me to, but I'm not too worried about him since he's another bad reg who likes to play a lot of hands and you could valuetown but I definately don't think he ever shows up here with anything that really connects with that board except a FD. He also covers hero.
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06-10-2014 , 08:06 PM
stacks are awkward, vs the range you provided you are doing quite well, shove it in.
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06-10-2014 , 09:18 PM
The villain you describe is 3betting with AA and KK almost exclusively imo. When he has AK and misses he gets away cheap but when he has AA or KK he gets a decent amount more of your money.

I almost never see AQ 3bet.

I love folding pre to rob him of his ev when he holds AA or KK.

You said he has a low 3bet % and then say you've never seen him 3bet. You say he doesn't raise much but then you want to say he pfrr's with TT and AQ? That is not a low 3bet %, at least not where I play.
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06-10-2014 , 09:34 PM
There's 188 in the pot before we act. After we call there is 266, and we only have 170 left. Pretty standard and easy ship I think. He shouldn't really fold any part of his range for 170 more into 430.

Nh.
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06-10-2014 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RED FACE
The villain you describe is 3betting with AA and KK almost exclusively imo. When he has AK and misses he gets away cheap but when he has AA or KK he gets a decent amount more of your money.

I almost never see AQ 3bet.

I love folding pre to rob him of his ev when he holds AA or KK.

You said he has a low 3bet % and then say you've never seen him 3bet. You say he doesn't raise much but then you want to say he pfrr's with TT and AQ? That is not a low 3bet %, at least not where I play.
I've played with him before and I don't see him 3-bet a lot which is why I said his 3-bet % is low. However on this table he has not 3-bet before this hand. I think he flats 22-99 and anything under AQ but he's a pretty low level thinker so I think, if he does have 1010/AQ+ he will almost for sure 3-bet since in his mind that is what he perceives as a "big hand" and thus will not fold to a 4-bet but instead flat with those big hands outside of QQ/KK/AA which he will 5-bet.

As a low level thinker also, I think he will be pretty happy to c-bet with 1010/JJ on that board so I don't think he crushes our range like you said. I know the guys you're talking about and this guy is different.
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06-10-2014 , 09:54 PM
I had an almost identical situation a few days ago and flatted preflop like you did (thought seriously about preflop fold).

Came to my senses and folded on the flop. EP played to the end with TT; Villain had KK. I was very happy I folded.

So fold.
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