2/5 FR

UTG2 opens to $15($450)
Hero 3! To $55 with QQ($1000) next to act
BB calls cold($1000), PFR calls
Pot
$165
Flop
AAA
Check to hero who bets $85
BB calls, PFR folds
Pot $335
Turn
2x
BB checks, hero checks
River
4x
BB donks $75 hero tanks and raises to $175

BB is Unknown to me, haven't seen nor have I ever played against him, dressed casual around early to late 30, so his cold calling range in my eyes should be PP heavy and maybe AK, I'm sorry but I just don't have enough info to share.

My image is neutral, I just sat down and this is my first hand.

What's the best line here?

All thoughts appreciated.

I'd probably go for three streets here. The 2 on the turn was such a great card. No one ever folded a full house. You can get calls from just about all PPs. KK and Ax are possible. Smaller PPs are more likely.

I had someone stick in $300 in a $1/2 game with pocket 6s against my KK on a 55532 board (including a $175 shove on the river). These full house with pocket pairs situations can be great value spots.

probably b/f $150ish ott & b/f $300ish otr

rare that you'll get raised by worse on either street

lol live tells could persuade me to bet larger. any timing tells?

definitely an embrace the variance spot, as you're a 60-80ish% fav vs his likely ranges

what's his race?

With no information about villain, I like your line until river. Just flat call his small donk until you have some information to go on. Without a read you have no idea if that is a blocking bet or a suck bet, and it isn't clear if you can get many calls by worse hands.

In a 3 way to the flop, 3 bet pot I would be worried villain is slow playing AK. I'm not trying to build a big pot in this situation until I have some read on villain's range.

$180 OTT and smallish $270-$300 OTR for me, to ensure we get called....

AP, I don't mind a river raise, since you checked the turn

mindset here at these stakes should be value betting all streets, unless villain actions tells us otherwise.

First thing, I'm not looking to stack off here - we'll be behind too often when you do.

Bet the turn for value. No reason to check behind.

Bet turn around $150. I would bet/fold.

Sure it's hard to have quads, but not that hard given his range and the AAA board. AT-AK = 14 combos. What pocket pairs would you put him on? Say 99-JJ? That's a guess and 18 combos. And I don't think he'll check/shove turn with any of those, to be honest.

If he calls the turn and checks to you on the river, I'd consider checking but I think it's much better to bet around 1/3 pot or even slightly less for value. Ax is very much in ranges, and this is going to be a pretty thin value bet against hands like 99, TT, JJ.

Still think you have to bet/fold the river.

It's a pretty interesting hand because we have a monster and usually you shouldn't fear quads, but here's a spot where quad's are very much in ranges and villain might not pay you off with worse or he might very well have us beat.

As played, and all that said, your river raise is actually way too small.

Should be at least $250 and fold to a 3-bet.

Explain?

There are four types of hands on the river -

case A beats us

KK beats us

Smaller boats

Everything else


the case A shoves over the river raise

KK is probably making a crying call to a moderate sized raise

Smaller boats are either calling or folding

Everything else folds

The larger the raise, the more you lose to the case A, and the more likely smaller boats are to fold. While a 250 raise is ~1/2 psb, it looks super strong in this context and I would think you would fold out a lot of the hands you are trying to get value from

Why is this better than the smaller raise?

Well, We loose to AX & KK and crush all other PP.
Our 3 bet range is going to consist of solid hands 99+, AK/AQ, is villain paying attention to this?

Villains 3 bet flat range could be a lot of stuff. He doesn't believe he's beat on the flop, checking with a high pocket pair and quads makes sense, hoping you'll fire another bet on the turn. I think if he had a lower PP he would CR the flop and bet the turn to protect his equity. His donk mean's he's weak and thinks he needs to bet, or he's inducing.

I think if we rr, we're only getting better to shove on us and I don't know if we can get a call from 66-JJ... I maybe a little mubsy because recently I was on the other side of this with KK on a TTT board and I stacked QQ.

If i negate my MUBSY, I like the smaller CR trying to get value from ****tier pocket pairs and we can get away if villain shoves on us, or induces a bluff shove and call(how many would do this at 2/5 NL, has to be one ballsy villain ). Anyway, I'm raising to $250 and folding to a shove.

As to $250, I think most LLSNL villains are going to fold $125 to a near $600 pot with 66-JJ.

Protect his equity against what exactly?


I think if we rr, we're only getting better to shove on us and I don't know if we can get a call from 66-JJ... I maybe a little mubsy because recently I was on the other side of this with KK on a TTT board and I stacked QQ. [/QUOTE]
I think having QQ on a 101010 board is a little diff. In a 3/bet pot?
Wouldn't you agree?

If i negate my MUBSY, I like the smaller CR trying to get value from ****tier pocket pairs and we can get away if villain shoves on us, or induces a bluff shove and call(how many would do this at 2/5 NL, has to be one ballsy villain ). Anyway, I'm raising to $250 and folding to a shove.[/QUOTE]

I still don't understand the sizing to $250 if we never expect worse to call..??..


As to $250, I think most LLSNL villains are going to fold $125 to a near $600 pot with 66-JJ.[/QUOTE]

So why raise then with that line of thinking?

PS
I think QUADJ makes an extremely valid point that we should be flatting the river $75 vs an unknown with no info on how he plays.
In my defense; To be totally honest, I didn't think he'd fold anything I beat to that sizing even tho I'll be value owing myself vs KK some of the time which I thought would be rare since any rec. will play KK-AA in a vacuum and 4! Most times OOP.