you just simply have to c-bet here as you're very likely to be ahead of players flatting you with lower pairs, flush draws, OESDs etc etc and if they play back you can determine whether, through hand histories, that's because they have TP or because they have the NFD....

Lol @ cbetting this flop

Particularly with our stack size

That is beyond terrible advice

You played the hand fine, op

Ship the flop

I'm never cbetting that flop. Seems just spewy especially given our stack. Even 100bbs deep it seems pretty bad.

Have y'all notice that everyone with experience ITF is saying that c-betting would be awful, and that all advocating a bet OTF are very new?

On the one hand, one could say that the new folks aren't stuck in their ways and can think for themselves outside the box instead of regurgitating received wisdom. If that makes the passionate (and, AFAICT, math deficient) feel better, more power to you.

OTOH, one could say that experience and study correlate with having a better idea of what we're talking about. I 100% know that ikestoys is better than I am, and his notion of the turn bet is eye-opening to me, because I also wouldn't have bet turn here. As I know these particular games/V's, however, I think the check to us OTT does not indicate a lack of flush/straight, as so many of these guys play their hands backwards and call themselves (or us, if we are in value-cutting mode) to death.

Hate how much I'm outting my friendly donk table persona in these games ITT, BTW. OP, please to not be passing on to the customers that I am actually a thinking player...

I know it's not really relevant to the hand above, but let's say hero was OTB, and there were two limpers, hero raises, blinds call, limpers call. OTF pot is the same size, but it gets check around to hero. Does it become more of a bet there if everyone has checked that flop to hero?

no. it's still an obvious check. even more so than oop.

By which Ike means that there is more likely to be someone expecting us to bet, so able to check strong hands for value, IIRTC

I delay cbet on a brick turn and fire another value bet on a brick river. With this turn, I'm fine with the hand as played.

When did 2+2 sign up date define years played and game wisdom?
Clearing this up would be great and if there is a true correlation I will keep my thoughts off threads.

No one thinks you're wrong because of reg date. They think there is a correlation between reg date and level of wrongness. You're wrong because well, you're advocating a really bad line.