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02-26-2018 , 05:22 AM
1-3 NL. Hero has to $650 out front and had been playing his A game. Getting respect at the table and all bluffs are working. All villains have a stack size over $300.

Ep (passive lag) limps, MP raises to $13, HJ calls, Hero OTB looks down at QJcalls, BB and EP call.

Flop: K74 (Pot $65)

BB & EP checks, MP bets 45, HJ folds, Hero and the rest call.

Turn: 2 (Pot $255)

Check, Check, MP bets $75, Hero calls, all call but EP

River: Q (Pot $555)

Checks to MP who bets $60? Everyone folds. I tank but fold.

With my 2nd nut draw against this field was it wise to call so many streets against so many OPs

How would you have played it different? Ty for your input.
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02-26-2018 , 06:45 AM
I advocate squeezing preflop 3 bet to $50 trying to take it down here especially since you said you are getting a lot of respect and we have dead money out there if Mp just opened and it folded to you then I don't mind a flat

as played

I would have just folded turn

on to next hand
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02-26-2018 , 07:36 AM
I like preflop and flop. On the turn id have probably folded but don't totally hate the call for such a cheap price. I definitely worry our flush may be no good. On river I snapcall. You're getting 10:1 on your money and honestly his betting makes no sense for a king.
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02-26-2018 , 01:26 PM
Preflop really depends on who is likely to end up in the pot. If they are all ******s who will loose a lotta money postflop with lol weak hands, I'm definitely in there. Otherwise, my guess is folding really ain't nearly as bad as many will think.

Also just calling the flop. Raiser continued into the world which is typically indicative of a strong hand that we might not have much FE against. When two others overcall I'm getting a little sick to my stomach (which is why folding non-nut drawing hands preflop isn't terrible).

I'm also calling the turn as we're getting good odds, although I am a little concerned that some of them are being sucked up by the 2 EP opponents; still concerned when there is an EP caller than my draw may be useless (we're beating T9s/T8s/98s and maybe some real baby ones, but otherwise Axs is a decent part of his range). ETA: I don't think we can fold the turn getting 4.5:1 and possibly others behind us padding the pot with the second nut flush draw, can we?

I'm fine with the river fold. Yeah, bet is super small but I just don't think we're going to get someone of their hand here after they've bet 4 straight streets against multiple opponents and river is a blank. He might be betting small with a monster just hoping to get paid off / played back at by a busted draw.

I'm fine with the whole hand postflop and I'm not really sure what else we can do. The tricky thing is that preflop might not be as simple a call as you think if your opponents are half decent postflop. For instance, I'd much rather call with Axs preflop for this flush-over-flush reason, whereas the smaller our flush draw becomes the more we are the ones having RIO issues against semi-compentent opponents postflop.

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02-26-2018 , 01:55 PM
Pre is fine. Flop is fine. Turn is fine for the price, although I'd tread very lightly on a club river.

Never folding this river for this price, except now I see you still have two behind you, so maybe OK. (confusing HH when you say everyone folds and then you tank fold).

(Also, how can someone be passive loose aggressive in poker? )
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02-26-2018 , 09:21 PM
Our 9 flush outs are more like 7 or 5 based on the calling action so we’re really not getting a good price on the turn given we are potentially drawing dead.

Flop is also close to a fold for me. Having a non-nut flush draw and no overcards to the board with two players still to act that have 77/44 in their range and can blow us out of the pot is not really that good of a spot to be in.

The most interesting decision is preflop but you don’t provide any reads on MP.
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02-26-2018 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Keys Kid
1-3 NL. Hero has to $650 out front and had been playing his A game. Getting respect at the table and all bluffs are working. All villains have a stack size over $300.

Ep (passive lag) limps, MP raises to $13, HJ calls, Hero OTB looks down at QJcalls, BB and EP call.

Flop: K74 (Pot $65)

BB & EP checks, MP bets 45, HJ folds, Hero and the rest call.

Turn: 2 (Pot $255)

Check, Check, MP bets $75, Hero calls, all call but EP

River: Q (Pot $555)

Checks to MP who bets $60? Everyone folds. I tank but fold.

With my 2nd nut draw against this field was it wise to call so many streets against so many OPs

How would you have played it different? Ty for your input.
Whats a passive LAG?
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02-26-2018 , 10:14 PM
Must call the river.

You are going to be good more than 1 out of 10 times
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02-27-2018 , 03:24 AM
Fold turn. We didn't pick up any additional equity and other players can C/shove.
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02-27-2018 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Flop is also close to a fold for me. Having a non-nut flush draw and no overcards to the board with two players still to act that have 77/44 in their range and can blow us out of the pot is not really that good of a spot to be in.
This was sort of my thoughts as well. My thinking is more along the lines of the other limpers are likely to fold, leaving us heads up calling over 1/2 pot bets with a naked non-nut flush draw. We don't have anywhere near the direct odds to draw, and implied odds are shaky at best. If we're floating and firing the turn if checked to, I like it.
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02-27-2018 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Koss
This was sort of my thoughts as well. My thinking is more along the lines of the other limpers are likely to fold, leaving us heads up calling over 1/2 pot bets with a naked non-nut flush draw. We don't have anywhere near the direct odds to draw, and implied odds are shaky at best. If we're floating and firing the turn if checked to, I like it.
This could work but absent reads I’m just going to assume the PFR that c-bets 5-way for 3/4 PSB is never bluffing here which pretty much kills any chance at floating to steal later.
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02-27-2018 , 02:17 PM
I personally have nit rule of not continuing past the turn on my draws.
I limped in late position with A 4 of d and hit a flush draw and was planning to get but early position villain bet the flop.
Changed my plans and I just flated instead of raising.
Turn brought a gutshot straight draw so I just flat called to villains bet again.
River was a blank and we both checked.
Villain had a set and was afraid of betting for value on a draw heavy board.
I'm retrospect, I wasn't getting the right price to continue past turn but, for that price that you got, after hitting your Q, you should have called.
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02-27-2018 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
I personally have nit rule of not continuing past the turn on my draws.
But here we're getting 4.5:1 to chase our draw? Although others make good points about being dominated / outs gone where maybe this is closer to a fold.

I didn't give nearly enough consideration to the river. It's unclear how many ways we are; are we 3way? Even though the bet is lol sizing, it is one that perhaps looks to simply want to get called by a very weak hand. Is he really doing this with ATcc enough against 2 (maybe more?) opponents?

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02-27-2018 , 10:09 PM
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Fold turn. We didn't pick up any additional equity and other players can C/shove.
+1 on this. You are getting shoved on by the BB or EP sometimes, and I don't think you have much implied odds when you hit the draw unless u flush over flush someone. Could of course be drawing dead.

As played river is close, I think read on BB is pretty crucial for this spot.
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