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Put to the test on the river with QQ Put to the test on the river with QQ

12-14-2013 , 03:50 AM
1/2 no limit local house game

I am utg with QhQc and about 900 in front of me

I bet out 12 and get five callers

pot come 4d 6c 4h

bb checks to me, I bet 65

3 folds, button calls (he has about 600 left in his stack now) bb folds

turn comes 8d

I bet 150

button smooth calls again

button has been playing tight, premium hands only. I have been showing aggression.

River comes 2s

I think and bet another 150. Button thinks, looks like he is about to fold, then reraises me to 450, making it 300 to go.

what do you do?

I respond in next comment what happened...

Thank you for comments in advance
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12-14-2013 , 03:51 AM
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I think my river play was horrible here, but I am not sure how I should have handled it.

I ended up folding. He turns over AK. *facepalm*
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12-14-2013 , 04:00 AM
Reads on players at the table would be helpful

Raise more preflop if you are getting 5 callers with 12$ raise, you want to get only one or two callers with a hand like QQ

I would bet smaller on the flop,50$ and then smaller on the turn 110$.

You should have a plan when you bet 150$ on the river, as played I would fold.
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12-14-2013 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Study Ace
Reads on players at the table would be helpful

Raise more preflop if you are getting 5 callers with 12$ raise, you want to get only one or two callers with a hand like QQ

I would bet smaller on the flop,50$ and then smaller on the turn 110$.

You should have a plan when you bet 150$ on the river, as played I would fold.
- Table was pretty loose, lots of callers, lots of action. Very juicy; this was my major jacked up hand of the night. I was sticking to a 4xbb pfr consistently throughout the session to make my holdings less readable.

- villian was one of the tighter ones, he was not playing a lot of hands or giving much action at all after three hours in

- my river play was lame. i was so caught up with his smooth calling, thinking he was trapping... I think he sensed my fear and moved in for the kill. Great bet on his part, meanwhile I am kicking my own arse
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12-14-2013 , 04:47 AM
You were clearly representing an overpair there, your betting pattern literally spelled it out.

You bloated the pot out of control on flop and turn, then you realized that and slowed down on the river. V just took advantage of your weakness. What did you put your opponent on, or were you just blindly shoving chips into the pot because you think that's what you are supposed to do with an overpair?

I would bet 40-45 otf. V calls.
Turn (pot = ~$140), I would be $100 there. V calls
River (pot = $340), I would check there, being oop. V might bet $250 - $300 there, you can decide to call or not based on live reads.
That would cost you about $440 to get to a show down, as opposed to as played, where you needed $665.

Point: pot control when oop multiway pot with just an overpair.

Edit: OH and also, if table is loose, then raise more pf with a premium holding. If you didn't raise enough and/or got called multiway, then be prepared to give up/let go
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12-14-2013 , 05:48 AM
a) villain is a moron
b) a little difficult to put him on a range here. I don't believe he has a 4. Could be getting cute with AA or KK. Not hard to believe he floated flop with air and woke up with fd. Otherwise pp of varying degrees of crappiness.
c) turn call does not compute. That would have tilted me enough to c/c river.
d) as played, heck I dunno. That would be a tough call otr. What the heck does he have you on? Doesn't appear to be afraid of a premium hand. I'd probably fold too. But... I don't often make heroic 3-street mega bluffs. If you do, this is a must-call.
e) don't ever leave this table. Ever.

Pre and otf: there's an argument for this line, just depends on where table is at mentally. If they routinely call 12 pre and then fold to 60 otf, might just want to roll with it. That's a money machine. You might get away with raising 20, 25, 30 pre for a while, but eventually these dopes will get the message and start playing tighter pre. Don't strangle the goose who is laying golden eggs.
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