Vil is 50-60 Russian, loose range pre, seen him make some speculative calls...been quiet in last hour or 2...

1-2 NL parx

Vil (800)
HERO (959)

Vil opens cutoff 15, hero calls button JJ blinds fold

Flop J-6-3 rainbow, vil bets 30, hero calls

Pot 90

Turn 3 rainbow still

Vil checks, Hero checks...At this point he has air or 66s full almost always.

Pot 90

River J-6-3-3-3

Vil bets 100, hero raises to 260, vil shoves all in.

Its around 500 for me to call. In a standard 1-2 game most players do not have the capability to do this as a bluff or without the nuts. Can't I assume he either has a 3 or 66 100% here. Once we get to that is it safe to say a fold is the right play here?

Ummm... snap it off... He should have zero 3's in his hand. ... Only one hand beats you... Sounds like he tried to trap you with QQ+ OTT.

Most of the time I agree with you obviously, however playing 1-2 live for a while has taught me that most players will not 3 bet shove rivers without the perceived nuts...Yes he could be over valuing QQ+ but not for all of his stack this deep.

Call please. 800 bb pots wow.

if he had a 3, the turn would have been a great spot to "barrel" and your raise on the river, which can look fos, IMHO, call

turn check makes me want to vomit

Ay, there's the rub....

Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing, end them?

Or to put it another way, what does V perceive as the nuts?

Call.

I'd snap call. I'd like to talk about PF and flop though. Would anyone 3! this PF to $40-45? And if we don't 3!, how about raising the flop? Villain is leading for $30 - he really likes his hand. Why not bump him to $90 and see if he overvalues his hand?

Looks like a good game. Never folding.

Raise flop. You got a set.
Bet turn. Sure he might fold air, but if there's a chance he does have a smaller boat (or even trips) he might push back, allowing us to get our stack in.

As played, Im not good enough to fold this. If he does have quads, gg him

QQ-AA, 66, and air, should be making up almost his entire range here. I mean betting the flop, then checking the turn with a 3 seems so unlikely.

Bet turn, call river. Did you really lose this hand or fold?

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x2, wtf OP?

Who cares what he has...just bet, jesus. Never folding river. If he runner runnered the double one-outer after raising pre with 3x then give him your money. So much MUBS if you folded here. QQ+ should look like the nuts to him.

QQ+ is now a full house which could easily be the 'perceived nuts'. Maybe he sometimes has A3, but you can't level yourself into folding here. No one's range is so narrow that you can fold the second nuts after this action.

I think you absolutely have to bet the turn. Raising the flop makes sense as well since Villain's range, due to the size of the pre-flop raise and flop bet, is likely weighted toward overpairs.

I don't get the need to slow play everything to death. I get maximizing value, but you're also maximizing free cards, maximizing getting caught, maximizing vomit by us on this side of this issue. Slow play has it's place. Flop was done right. Had V bet turn then ok to just call (I'd consider this slow play). But checking twice in a row? Sorry I don't get it.

AP, I think we have to fistpump puke the river here.

3bet pre.

Raise flop this deep. It's likely that he missed but the times that he has a hand we want to create a massive pot.

Bet turn is obvious. V can easily be pot controlling some hand he'll call a bet with.

River call is obvious.

Haha he could show me a three and I would still tank call

A) 3! Pre
B) x/r flop
C) bet turn
D) call river

He's not putting you on JJ+ because you didn't 3! pre, which everyone except passive players would do, so if he has QQ+, 66 that is the perceived nuts. What hands is he raising with pre that ever have a 3? A3s is probably it. And that is only 4 hands out of a range of 25 (6 AA, 6 KK, 6 QQ, 3 66) and that doesn't include the possibility he has random J hands and he's trying to push you off a chop.

Fist pump call, ainec!

Fist pump, tip the dealer, snap call.

If he has a 3, take the tip back.

Come on

I mean, obv V has the 3! Otherwise thread wouldn't be a thread.

But before that, raise the flop.
Bet the turn.
Call the river.

Reload if needed.
<---- BBV is that way.

omgz............

hand butchered on every street

Please tell me that you called.....if you folded this hand, then why bother playing??

Bet the turn FFS, I don't think we're gaining much value from AQ/AK type hands who will most likely not bluff the river if they're checking the turn. Bet the turn, he's made speculative calls before and can certainly call with less than a J on this board.

As played, your hand is way under-repped and you have the 2nd nuts. He should only have 1 combo of A3s that beats you and that's if he raises that PF. I snap call here, if he has a 3 then good for him.