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Preflop decision with KQo facing a min-raise, multi-way and OOP? Preflop decision with KQo facing a min-raise, multi-way and OOP?

09-22-2022 , 12:55 PM
Game is $2-$100 spread-limit (most you can raise is $100 over the previous bet) and just had a really goofy spot:

9-handed. I open UTG2 to $10. The player to my left then min-3-bets to $20. He has exactly $20 behind after this raise. He’s new to the table but is clearly a fish (20 years old, bought in short, didn’t understand what “both cards have to play” in regards to the Progressive Jackpot board, etc).

The Cutoff ($300 stack) cold-calls it, as does the Button ($300 stack), as does the BB ($100 stack). (I cover everyone.) I don’t know anything about their playing styles—they’re middle-aged white guys I haven’t played with before, though I assume CO and BTN aren’t horrendous because they each bought in for $300, the Max.)

Action back to me. What should I do? Is folding too nitty? Do you ever find a 4-bet bluff to $120?

Last edited by davomalvolio; 09-22-2022 at 01:01 PM.
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09-22-2022 , 01:14 PM
I am not familiar with spread limit games at all, but generally in a spot like this I would say that you have the odds to call even if you just play fit or fold postflop.

A 4bet-bluff oop into 3 opponents (not counting the short stack) seems ambitious.

Never folding either.
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09-22-2022 , 01:18 PM
I would just call here
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09-22-2022 , 01:21 PM
Seems like an easy call. You are getting 9:1 with last action? Cannot fold.

With spread limit, even max raise isn't enough to take down the pot. And even if NL, the EP min-raise is a little suspicious. However, if it's 8 limps to you in the BB (in NL), you could consider a big raise to take it down or get heads up. But with the capped raise, and facing a min-3-bet...just call.
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09-22-2022 , 02:20 PM
This is always a call.
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09-22-2022 , 02:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_dude_174
This is always a call.
Trivial call. The flop will be much more interesting.
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09-22-2022 , 02:39 PM
While it's the correct use of the term, I don't consider any of the calls as 'cold' .. just business as usual in any 1/2 game.

Flat here and let the action come to you if the Board goes your way.

Without a bunch of history with the table I don't think trying to squeeze or forcing the hand into a side pot (of which I'm a big fan of) is necessary here. GL
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09-22-2022 , 06:38 PM
Result:

Well I folded. I thought you would be proud of me, for not sticking in more money with a hand with as poor reverse implied odds as KQo….I only folded because I thought it’s what you guys would have done!!!

On the hand itself: Flop 456r. It is checked to the short stack kid who min-3-bet me and he went all-in for his last $20. A fold, then Button raised MAX to $120 and everyone else folded.

Short stack: K9
Button: TT

TT holds.
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09-22-2022 , 06:46 PM
A 4bet would basically be a bluff into a dry side pot.

For those odds it's just a call. On the flop we have relative position because if it gets checked to the preflop raiser he will go all-in most of the time after which we're last to act.
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09-22-2022 , 07:54 PM
I fold KQo UTG in a 9-handed game, but I'm a nit.

Once you put in that original raise, you have to call the min 3-bet. You just have to be very, very careful postflop. With stacks this deep, I'd be hoping to flop 2 pair+ and stack someone. I'd check most flops in this spot.

People are more hesitant to bluff into a dry side pot because they have to show their hand. So, top pair shrivels up pretty quickly when facing pressure; especially OOP against competent players.
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09-22-2022 , 09:56 PM
If the min raiser was a better player I would agree with a fold. In that case he almost always has AK/QQ+ and is just suckering some more money into the pot before shoving. But last to act after several callers your getting ridiculous odds and villain is bad enough he could have a hand worse then yours (as he did). Your still going to have to be real careful post flop but you get to check, let the min-raiser shove and see what everybody does.
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09-24-2022 , 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Result:

Well I folded. I thought you would be proud of me, for not sticking in more money with a hand with as poor reverse implied odds as KQo….I only folded because I thought it’s what you guys would have done!!!

On the hand itself: Flop 456r. It is checked to the short stack kid who min-3-bet me and he went all-in for his last $20. A fold, then Button raised MAX to $120 and everyone else folded.

Short stack: K9
Button: TT

TT holds.
Reverse implied odds? You are playing to hit two pair, trips or a straight. Put the $10 in and hope to hit your 1 in 20 shot of winning stacks. Or maybe it checks down with your top pair and you win the $80 pot with no further betting
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09-25-2022 , 04:00 PM
Call $10 pre. Check/fold any flop that isn’t 2p+ or a straight draw. Maybe stuff like K72 or K94 we can check/call for non ridiculous amounts.
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