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Not sure if you're picking up on what @garick is saying, or what I was saying earlier.

When the whale verbally declares he's going all-in before action is on him, and UTG / UTG1 both limp, our assumption should be that they heard him, and believe him, and that they're just limping in with the intention of calling his all-in.

When a competent player limps here, we can assume he has a plan. When somebody who limps 80% of his hands limps here, we can assume he limps the same hands he would limp without that announcement.

Unless we paid very close attention to everybody else at the table at the time of the preflop announcement, we also shouldn't assume that any of the guy with headphones in; the three guys playing with their phones; the guy watching baseball on TV; and the two guys who are laughing loudly while showing each other pictures of their dogs, even heard the player when he said he was going all-in blind.

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06-21-2024 , 09:38 PM

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deuceblocker

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 3,771

I would fold, but shove with 99.

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06-22-2024 , 02:40 AM

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moxterite

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 1,757

Or most likely people heard the announcement and weren't sure whether to believe it so decided to limp their medium strength hands to get in cheaply in case he does jam.

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06-22-2024 , 05:58 AM

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deuceblocker

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 3,771

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Originally Posted by moxterite

Or most likely people heard the announcement and weren't sure whether to believe it so decided to limp their medium strength hands to get in cheaply in case he does jam.

I would be concerned about the limpers, but no stakes players don't like to fold. They could also be planning on calling the jam only if everyone folds to them.

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06-22-2024 , 09:56 AM

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docvail

old hand

Join Date: May 2023 Posts: 1,957

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Originally Posted by madlex

What are you talking about? We got no reads on the limpers. Only the whale. You're suggesting we assume they don't know what's going on? Why would we assume that?

I said in my first post in the thread that it would be good to have some reads on the limpers. Without any, we should probably proceed as if they heard the whale say he was going all in before they limped.

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06-22-2024 , 12:21 PM

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madlex

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 17,880

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Originally Posted by docvail

What are you talking about? We got no reads on the limpers. Only the whale. You're suggesting we assume they don't know what's going on? Why would we assume that?

We shouldn't assume anything, that's the whole point.

Odds of all 7 other players hearing the announcement are close to zero. Odds of none of the other 7 players hearing the announcement are also close to zero.

A lot of players have no idea what's going on at the table because they don't care or are too busy with other stuff.

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06-23-2024 , 12:00 AM

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009285832

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 322

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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana

1/3 NLHE 9 handed

V - semi-drunk tilted station. Down over 2k and just wants to play bingo. Just rebought for 500 in green and announces he's sticking it in blind. MP.

H covers the whole table from CO. The only other competent player at the table is LAG in BB. Everyone besides V has between 300-650$. LAG has 350$. Everyone else is loose passive, LJ is a nit.

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UTG limps, UTG1 limps, V shoves 500 without looking (he announced this before the hand was dealt), folds to H who sees 8

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Q1. Your action?

Q2. Your action if you were LJ?

Q3. Your action if you were BB?

No thanks. I'd fold. Let's say you're UTG+!. You get dealt AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 1010, AK, AQ. you hear idiot saying he's betting $500. What do you do? Limp. Both UTG and UTG+! realize this so likely one of them has something.

That's not to mention that anyone behind you is betting $500 to win $1000. That's pretty good odds if you have a decent hand. 88 is good against any random 2. It's not to good against any random 2 plus, say, a gambling AQ that calls behind you.

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06-23-2024 , 12:12 AM

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haha_TP

grinder

Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 562

Without reading the spoilers, I'm calling the shove as the EP limpers could still be limping hands they are planning on folding to anybody who calls the shove. Hands like ATo, A8s, KQ, etc, etc. Only folding if one of the limpers is a really tight nit.

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06-23-2024 , 05:06 AM

#34

drowski

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,524

1) Jam

2) Jam

3) Jam

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06-25-2024 , 05:43 AM

#35

Buster65

The Situation

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 2,268

I would shove with 88...

And I know i would do this b/c I was in the exact situation (but my V looked at his hand), he shoved, I reshoved and was facing A6, board runs out and MHIG (no set).

Everybody at the table thought I was a maniac for making that play, and let me run over the table for the next 6 hours, lol.

10/10 would do again everyday and all day.

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06-25-2024 , 12:04 PM

#36

Joe-exotic69

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Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 1,337

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Originally Posted by Buster65

How is this the same spot when V looked at his hand?

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06-25-2024 , 12:11 PM

#37

Garick

Oberbiergenießer

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 26,691

And were there limpers who knew that he planned to shove?

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06-25-2024 , 03:00 PM

#38

Buster65

The Situation

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 2,268

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Originally Posted by Joe-exotic69

How is this the same spot when V looked at his hand?

He was drunk and tilted, and said he was going to shove regardless of his hand

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Originally Posted by Garick

And were there limpers who knew that he planned to shove?

Two, and they were joking about how they were going to snap call him if he shoved (they folded)

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