my stack is about 250, most everyone at the table has about the same.

UTG limps
UTG+1 raises to 6
five callers
Hero has Ad2d on BTN and calls
SB calls
BB folds
UTG reraises to 31 (Very likely player has KK+)
3 callers, SB appears to be calling

call or fold?

fold

1) lol @ BB folding the first time getting 12-1

2) I really dont think it matters too much whether u call or fold here. If you feel like gambling go head and call and hope u dont flop a bare A. But if your mood is fragile atm u should prolly just pass.

edit: on second thought given what the pot size will be on the flop there will likely be no later street so play I like folding better. but I dont think calling is horrible given the immediate odds ur getting... if you feel like gambling.

fold, stacks aren't deep enough, big deal if you have great odds.. reverse implied odds imo, but mainly i think fold due to stack sizes, i mean if everyone has 400 maybe but even this i just toss this thing.. way behind a LOT of the time

Well, I wouldnt be calling to hit a bare A. I guess id be calling to hit a straight, flush, trip 2s, which would all win me a massive pot, since im pretty sure that AT LEAST the 3 better is putting his money in the middle on any board, unless he has KK, in which case he probably gives up if an A hits.

Any hand where I hit a FD on flop would be EV+ too i suppose.

The pot will be about 150, and ill have 225 behind, and im investing 25.

I cant remember exact odds, so its something like... odds of hitting a flush is about 1%, trip 2s 2%, two pair 2%, FD 12%...

so, yeah, i suppose you're probably right since id need to average like 500 bucks for the 5% of the time that I hit... so the stacks would have to be pretty huge.

Even though this is definitely a clear fold and its not even close, spots like this make me wonder how Tom Dwan can call this raise every single time and make money. I just can't rap my mind on how high stakes players can know the guy has AA/KK, not be deepstacked, and still call and be confident he can bluff him off those hands.

Because:

A)no one limp raises with AA/KK UTG every time at high stakes so he doesnt know they have AA and KK? High stakes villains arent as straightforward as the passive fish.

B) ..he usually plays deep stacked.

C)Having position in poker is the most important thing.

D) He doesnt do it necessarily for his actual hand value but for balance also. He cant always had a mid pocket pair/AQ, like i expect villains in this spot to always have to flat and flat again...

Just so you know, games at and above 25nl and 5/10 are completely different, if you didnt know that, because from your post it doesnt really seem like you do...

^ This.

Durrr doesn't play 56ss to win pots with it. He plays it because it balances his ranges, which makes him harder to play against by thinking players. There is almost no excuse to balance your range at LLSNL, because you are not playing against thinking players.

Does this really happen? I dont think durrrr would call here. With no money behind theres really no chance to outplay postflop. Unless he just felt like gambling or something.

And I dont really think durrrr needs to balance his ranges at this point. He's the most unpredictable player out there. When you see him playing weak hands in wierd spots online vs jungleman or isildur it has way more to do with the specific spot vs the specific opponent than it has to do with balancing.

And if your talking about his play on HSP, 1) theyre very deep, 2) He's not balancing. He's just a better player than everyone there (besides Ivey & PA maybe) and he knows how they all think while they dont understand him at all. Hes a higher level thinker.

they play $400-$800 with $100,000+ stacks...

I've seen him do it when the straddle is on which effectively cuts their stacks in half to bring either him or his opponent close to 100bb. Isaac Haxton mentioned while commentating that if Durrr is in position he never folds to a 3bet under any circumstance and if you watch him on TV, especially in tourneys, thats pretty much true.

First off fold.

Second please don't compare Tom dwan to 1/2. There is a much bigger Meta game goingnon here. He calls for many reasons...the biggest people raise light and he can float.


Third...its pretty rare anyone can put someones range preflop on one hand. That's a very wrong approach. Honestly its more like jj+ and AK. That's a real range that I'd believe.

Last what do you do when you call and an ace hits...stack off?!?!

Btw this is a fold everytime all the time.

This reminds me.... when/if is APD coming back.

hmmm. i wonder why this reminds me of that.

fold

Do you know the odds of flopping a flush draw? They are about 8 to 1.

i would love to have a pocket pair in this spot.

Looking over this hand again, assuming SB calls (which we think he will) theres $161 in the pot, $25 to call. Minus the rake, ur getting better than 6-1. Those immediate odds are too overwhelming to ignore.

I think you call here just to try and flop gin. If u flop the bare nfd ur probly just gonna have to gamble. And if you flop bare top pair obv u just dump it.

Kind of a PLOy situation imo.