Thanks for the responses, gentlemen. I was hoping to hear other people's opinions about V2 calling (and why) vs raising (and why), because I think this is a tough spot for him to be in, with no clearly correct answer.
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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
Your 3bet was a little bit small, I would go 110 personally.
I dont think villain should have any flatting range in his position.
He should fold JJ and under in my opinion and jam QQ+ and AK.
As you facing his jam I would only call w aces and kings.
I would generally go larger with the 3B when OOP. Not sure why I only went 3X, but I might have figured V2's raising range on the BTN would be pretty wide, and I didn't want to fold out too much of that range.
Or, maybe I just wasn't really thinking it through. Maybe it was just "Yes! Kings!"
What to do in my spot or V2's spot with with QQ or AK is a dilemma I've faced before. I don't love jamming or calling a jam with QQ, and would rather have AKs.
DooDooPoker explained dead card theory in another thread, arguing that AK becomes a slight favorite over QQ when we take into account the range of hands other opponents are folding would have more QX than KX or AX. I guess that supports my preference for AK over QQ.
Here, with the UTG2 jamming, I'd think he's going to have more AX, so maybe AK should be folded more, and QQ becomes more of a call. Though perhaps they're both just pure folds in this spot, against the population, and only a call if we're really confident in our read of V2's jamming range, given the meta game between us.
It just sucks to fold QQ, and especially AKs.
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Originally Posted by hitchens97
I think this is roughly right, with the exception I might flat AA in his shoes to induce from you. Depends on the dynamics a bit - if he thinks you'll read a flat as very strong then I'd jam AA.
I was thinking about this a lot after the hand. Is it better to flat AA to induce, at the risk of me just flatting behind with TT+, or does he want to just jam AA, expecting me to never fold KK, and maybe sometimes call with QQ?
If I flat call instead of jamming, any flop that comes T-high to K-high might make me top set, and it's going to be hard for him to get away from AA if I jam flop.
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Originally Posted by illiterat
He can't continue with any bluffs, so his range is completely merged if he calls or raises and he can fold a lot even given his big initial raise.
I think if V calls you have to fold all bluffs and are in a bad spot with some of your borderline value 3bets.
Given that I don't see what shoving achieves, and it's going to cost a lot. Yes, AA wants to raise but I doubt QQ or AK should want to pile another $700 in vs. your calling range if V shoves.
Maybe making it 295 is "better" in that there won't be a dry side pot, but SPR feels pretty bad.
So I think I would go the other way and call all of range as V2 (but still fold a lot).
If I understand what you're saying - whether he flat calls or raises, he has no bluffs, his continuing range is strong / merged, and I shouldn't continue with any of my BS hands that were light 3B's.
But if V2 flat calls, I'd be getting 4:1 to continue, which is pretty enticing pot odds to call and see a flop with some SC's with good equity against big PP's. It wouldn't seem overly spewy to flat call in hopes of smashing the flop, at least some of the time.
For that reason, I think V2 would be in the blender, wanting to raise for value/protection, and not give me good pot odds to come along with a wider range. But, yeah, if he does shove, he's risking a lot, and he's probably behind my calling range.
It's a tough spot for him, in that I wouldn't love any of his options. I suppose we might split the baby, and flat IP with AA/range, or 5B jam OOP.
Last edited by docvail; 04-18-2024 at 03:06 PM.