lol why?

Also if you post from CO/BTN, then some people play very loosely to take your posting and u have to protect your posting. Also remember, that it's your first hand and your HUD don't display stats yet, 400NL-1000NL, it's not problem because you know most regs but lower level its quite hard to remember all regs and their tendencies and it's harder to protect your posting.

who cares about defending your post, I just wait for people to fold to me

Not sure if we're saying the same thing, but since you make .28 in the first 5 positions, and say -.16 from posting in the CO, that's making .12 over 6 hands, which would equal .02 per hand, which is your average overall. So assuming -.16, there really isn't any difference between entering BB vs CO. Since you are a winning player, you would expect to be +ev entering from either BB or CO.

uhh, there's definitely a difference between earning .02 per hand for 6 hands and sitting out for 6 hands

Yes. I was just saying there was no real difference whether you post in the BB or CO. So you wouldn't want to NOT post in the BB to post in the CO - it's not *that* advantageous. All other things being equal, you post whatever comes first.

this is ****ing confusing, the obvious solution is to shortstack in the BB and fill up when youre out of the blinds

Can't do that anymore, otherwise you have to turn off your auto-reload.

I will work out the math later, but I guarantee under most conditions, especially with online poker, posting the cutoff is -EV. The simplest explanation is looking at your expectation from the cutoff. If your cutoff expectation is not over something like .5BBs, then its -EV. In live cash games it can be profitable depending on table, also it might be advantageous because it makes you look fishier, makes you "fit in," the stacks might be deeper, theres more time until your BB (this doesn't make it any more +EV just +EU(utility)), and the players are of course worse.

this pretty much sums up my thoughts

I generally wait for the BB unless:

1) Someone posted in an earlier position before me
2) The table is especially loose/fishy

this is very good imo.

posting in the CO increases your vpp/hr so it's a must imo

i do it on my first table open cause i think with rakeback i make money by doing it on the first table. after that i think a spew.

I used to always post but it seems -EVish for me lately, and now that i wait to post i notice slightly better results on avg (maybe small sample). I used to feel i had enough of and edge to make up for it.

A bit supersitious, are we? :-). I do almost the opposite. Assuming no massive fish at a table, I generally wait to post in the BB on the first few tables and post in the CO on the last few tables. This way, I am playing "most" of my tables at the same time. I hate posting at the first table right away and then waiting around for the rest of my tables to get started. Playing 1 or 2 tables for a while blows.

no, but $35 an hour, i prob play an extra 2-3 minutes sometimes so thats like 1.50, i think i make like .20 a hand at 2/4 and get another .11 in rakeback so .31 *5 or so is 1.50 and an extra 1.50 is 3 bucks, so the last dollar is made up for by the fact that its not always raised and sometimes i get a free flop

ok i just checked PT and its profitable for me to post from the cutoff including rakeback.

so over the last 185k hands im running at 3.24ptbb. i added up my EV per hand from utg to cutoff and it is .42ptbb which is less than .5ptbb so technically i am not winning money doing it. but including the 11 cents per hand of rakeback over those hands i make 66 cents which is .08333ptbb more, which totals to .50333. including the $35 an hour bonus on top of that makes it profitable, AND the fact that if the pot is limped that i post in i get to see that flop for free and probably make better decisions than my opponents when i flop certain hands so i think im probably making like $3 each time i post on my first table at 2/4

at higher stakes it might be worth it depending how much i am winning back from pots given how often its limped around after posting the blind

your cost for posting is not .5ptbb because the money is live. Sometimes the hand will play out exactly the same regardless of whether you posted.

yeah i would think its worth doing as long as your winrate is >2.5ptbb

i still don't do it though out of habit

Pretty much do this too. Have no idea which is better and don't think the difference is worth quibbling about.

Ryan - if you don't mind, what sort of rakeback do you get? 100% + $35/hour?

its situationally dependant

Ok so if your a red pro, its +EV on FTP. If your normal its ever so slightly -EV.