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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Well, maybe the litmus test is simple as this:
You raise JJ UTG+1 to $15 and you get the semi-expected 4 callers at this loose 1/3 NL table. Pot is $75. Flop is T74ss. Effective stacks were $300, so we have $285 left (SPR = 3.8). A couple LP opponents can be tricky / aggro. We're OOP to 3 of the 4 players.
If you're comfortable in this spot and know exactly what to do postflop from this point on, then good. You shouldn't have too much problem, so then you should lean towards raising preflop.
If you don't feel comfortable in this spot, and really have no clue what to do from this point forward, then maybe you shouldn't get yourself into this spot in the first place.
Fair enough?
I know this will probably get a lot of "learn how to play postflop better" comments. Which is possibly a reasonable response. But it's also possible we might be overestimating our postflop skills.
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Joe fish probably shouldn't have raised preflop in this spot; but if we can start to teach joe fish, or anyone who cares to learn how to deal with these situations I think the this board could be much better.
Start from pre and your general position and general hand, we have a non-premium, non-small, middle pocket pair, (88-JJ)
Start to think about when we make our standard raise, what will our general plan of attack be if the pot ends up
A.) HU
B.) 3-way-4way
C.) Multiway
(and I mean this especially as opposed to: oh sh*t I have JJ, I got 3 callers, an over hit, no one ever folds ever, I give up. which IS terrible in most of the 200-500NL games that I play)
Since we're 3-way 4-way, we need to think about what the 2-3 villains calling ranges from the specific positions they called from are.
Short end joe fish,
Ok, now that we have that, we pretty much always cbet this board (or whatever, debate, but I do). Here's how we are going to react to calls/raises from the different players and different textures of turn/river cards.
This is how we exploit and grind better. Where is this non-beginner; but not quite advanced board on 2+2?
Hands starting in a general fashion like this need to be the subject of more threads. imo