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Originally Posted by illiterat
To be fair I've lost count of the number of times I've setup a fold or jam spot for the short stack only for them to call.
Very true. It happens a lot at low stakes.
Obviously I wasn't trying to set up a jam or fold spot for V2, and I already admitted I didn't stop to check his stack size before calling the 3B. But even if I had, I'm not sure if I would have given him credit for seeing it as a jam or fold spot, given the way he'd been playing.
If I stopped to check his stack size, and if I thought he was better, I might have been more likely to fold. But my reasoning for calling the 3B was that I figured both he and V3 would either fold and I'd get to play HU / IP with dead money in the pot, or they'd come along by just flatting, giving me huge implied odds to try and smash the flop.
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Grunch: I would have folded to the 3bet, and I definitely fold now unless I just want to gamble.
Just saw results: what would you have done had they flipped their hands pre-flop? Snap fold, I hope, so don't fret over it.
I thought about folding to the 3B. But his raise sizing and timing, combined with my read, made me think he wasn't really all that strong, and that his limp-back raise was something he came up with on the spot after V2 and V3 flat called my raise, not something he planned to do with AA/KK. I was putting him on AJs/ATs, maybe some KQs/KJs.
Crazy as it sounds - I actually contemplated a 4B-bluff for a split-second. Yes, I know - madness and pure shenanigans. I may be beyond help.
Still - fold 76 there, all the time, yes, yes...but...getting 2.5 to 1 on a call, IP, with dead money in the pot, a skill edge, and enough stack depth to think he's not jamming every flop...feels like we could call there at least some of the time.
If they flipped over their cards, I wouldn't have been shocked to see their hands, given how face-up they all were anyway. So, no, definitely wouldn't have called, especially seeing V2 had the same hand, reducing my pot odds immensely - fewer outs and more chops when we catch.
My main point wasn't that I should have called. I think most players would insta-fold there. But thinking that some pros might say it's an odds-based call at equilibrium slowed me down. And seeing the cards made the hand seem worth some discussion.
Most hands I play aren't worth discussing.