I've almost never seen villain fold preflop for less than 20 big blinds.
30s Asian.

Hero TAG.
Winning image. Table stack leader with about 800.

Effective stacks $500.

UTG limps 5 dollars.
Hero with red Queens in MP makes it 35.
Villain in Cutoff calls 35.
UTG calls 35.

Flop (105) - 7c8c8s.
UTG checks.
Hero bets 100.
Villain raises to 250.

UTG folds like his cards are on fire.

Hero?

What sort of range do you think that he 3bets you with?
Do you think that he can 3bet here with JJ+ AK, or 99+, AQs, AKo?
Do you think that he can 3bet light? AXs type hands?

Then on the flop, what are you donking out for?
Do you think that he will call you with 99-JJ? Do you think that he will call you with AK/AQ?
Is there a flush draw on the flop or is a rainbow?

In general I wouldn't have donked here without a read that it might inducec him to raise, but give that you have, I think that I would still get it in. If he can raise on the flop with JJ+ then we are getting the right price to call with the money in the pot already. Esp if there's a flush draw out there and he can raise with AXs.

Drawy board easy ship with low SPRs.

Is 4.2 that low of an SPR?

Versus a loose caller preflop with 100 BB stacks? In my opinion yes. I would be snap calling this.

It's fine, almost ideal, for a 100BB stack and an overpair. Could be a little lower, but this isn't bad.

I agree with IRTM that donking is not great here. We should still be WAY ahead of villain's range, but with the board this wet, and SPR so low, we want to get the chips in FAST. Check/raising best accomplishes that.

I puke and ship it at the same time probably.

Given the image and type of player, I think you see an 8 here quite a bit, but with the drawy board and your QQ, I still ship.

Also, wouldn't be surprised if villain has 99/1010/jj/kk/aa. How often do you see villain bet or raise? Is he just a complete calling station all the time or just pre?

Ships hopefully given villain description. Way more flush draws and worse two pairs in his range than an 8.

Ok, so you say V never folds pre flop.... you have QQ, this has to be a 4 bet 100% of the time.

Am I reading a different hand history than everyone else? Hero raised preflop, then c-bet flop. No donking, no opportunity to 4-bet...

THANK YOU!

I make the crying ship against villian as described. Cant fold, cant let him see more cards on that board. Sucks but it is simple reasons.

Yeah I don't get all of the early responses. Maybe the OP has been edited.

If villain is fishy, which it seems like, than he may raise flop with any pair, straight or flush draw and so it's an easy ship.

If villain were tight passive, I could find a fold.

OP was def edited since it was posted the first time.

He has tons of flush draw hands in his range, worse two pairs, open ended straight draws.

Never folding. Ever. Shove it in. If you're beat it's a cooler.

It's not a cooler.

You've bloated the pot so much with your awful sizing that you feel committed.

We have reads that V will call with half the deck for less than 20bb. (Clearly exaggerating, but whatever.)

So are we saying that we should raise less pre or cBet less on the wet flop?

Just curious.

Betting so much on the flop is pretty pointless.

flop bet is too large

if this guy has been playing every hand, then you should have some understanding of his post flop play.

This.

I know a lot of posters hate reading this, but you want to plan your hand out from the beginning. The bet sizing pf and flop was based on getting everyone to fold worse hands. The result is that by the flop bet, much of the villain's range will be better hands that will call or raise. You've folded out almost everything worse. Even FD are going to be wary about putting much money in because they aren't drawing to the nuts. Rather than protecting your hand (which is why you bet so big), you ensured that you'd win the minimum and lose the maximum.

Sizing pre and OTF is perfect. V never folds pre so I'm pretty sure he's calling a PSB OTF with about 150 combos that we're crushing.

dude sometimes we level ourselves into a call especially at the lower limits. this guy may play all hands but im sure he knows a monster when he sees it.

This is never not a 7 imo and if he shows up with 99 or something then ill eat my hat.

Well put

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+1 all the way...

OP obv edited the post...


So what really happened pre flop? Or did you just change it up because you didn't like the responses...?

Your flop bet sizing was heinous. Had you made it $40-$50 you could consider calling the raise (another $80-$100) and feeling out the turn, folding to a jam/bet from villain regardless of the turn card (and snap if flush or possible straight draw). If villain was doing this raise with a straight draw or a flush draw then I highly doubt he jams turn if it bricks and esp after you called raise