I'm 20hours into my "career" as a live player. I've been going to a 1/1 200nl game that becomes 1/2 later on in the night. Most players are extremely loose, passive....with a couple old man nits. The player to my right (V2) is a young guy, who seems to have a solid grasp of the game but appears to get over committed with top pair sorta hands. Most hands at this table go 4 or 5 way.

Blinds @ the time of this hand were 1/1....I had $140 in my stack and was covered by both players. V1 makes it $4, V2 calls him. I raise to $13 w/ KK, V1 makes a quick call. V2 tanks for about 30 seconds, then bumps it to $40. (It was obv that V1 is a weaker player, and I'm aware of the fact that he may be trying to isolate himself IP vs. the fish...) I call the $40 with no question it would get overcalled by the fish as well, which it does.

Flop comes J94

V1 donk bets $40 into the giant pot, V2 tanks for less time than preflop then pushes. I spent at least 2 minutes thinking about the best play, noticing V1 seems ready to call his stack off and is seemingly pretty anxious for me to act. I've watched V1 overplay far to many hands to think I'm losing to him, but this board is SOOOOOO DRYYYY....

Would V2 really have limp/reraised with QQ or below?!? Probably not, but if he did it would likely be a set now, right?!? Obv KK is quite unlikely, so I figured the only rational thing would be AA or a poorly played underpair that hit its set. Hypothetically QT could make a move like this, which I'm killing...but wouldn't have made it to the flop IMO considering the PF action! If/when I'm behind my equity is roughly 8%. When/If ahead I'm somewhere around 65% at best?!? Am I to nitty in this spot to lean towards folding? Please teach me what kind of thoughts to have when I experience this sort of situation!!! Thanks to everyone who partakes

Raise more the first time, imo. Pot is 14 with your call, and you make it only 9 more. I go $20, though anything over 15 isn't bad with position.

I actually don't hate the flat to keep the fish in, but it is with the intent of stacking off on any non ace flop for sure.

AP, pot is 120 before any action OTF, and you have an overpair on a dry board with less than a pot-sized bet left. It is going in, only question is how. With the pot $270 (effective) by the time it gets to you and the fish looking eager to call it off, you are always calling getting 3.7-1 with an overpair. I mean ALWAYS!

V2 could have TT+, QT+ here easily, given that he's trying to iso the fish.

I'm confused...
V1 raises to $4
V2 calls
Hero bumps it up to $13 (way too small 3-bet)
V1 calls
V2 tanks and bumps it up to $40

Why is hero calling here?
You got $140 in your stack - if you call $40, you're left with one bet on the flop - provided there's no A on the board
Hero should be 5-betting here and taking a flop heads up.

If V2 had AA and smooth-called thinking he was going heads up with V1, then so be it. But you're way too short stacked to play properly post flop.

A shove pre-flop is the best line.

As played, a call on the flop seems like the only play.

Yeah, at this stack depth, as Garick says, you should only be thinking about how your chips are going in.

I really like the flat pre. I'm flatting here almost always too. Keeps the both fish and V2 wide and eager to get his stack in.

I'm not sure of V1's stack here, but yeah you've got to call this one off pretty happily.

V2 with AA is possible, but would he just shove with it on that dry a board, that discounts it for me.

my pre flop raise would have been to $20 then 5 bet shove when villain raises

As played it should be an easy call

A likely scenario is

V1 donk bets with A J V2 shoves with QQ Hero MUST call

Every so often V2 turns up with AA or JJ but not often enough to consider folding imo

Good luck at the tables

I wouldn't be able to get my remaining $126 in PF fast enough.

As played, pay and pray.

I think something I forgot to stress was just how UNUSUAL this hand was compared to every hand played thus far. Nobody had come close to showing this sort of attention to a hand, so my "spidey senses" felt like I was behind. I understand people wanting a larger preflop raise....if V2 snapped a big 4b off preflop after my increased raise obv the money is very likely going in right there. Perhaps I overanalyzed the fact that this hand was so different then typical hands....I just felt so dominated in this spot and apparently I'm wrong to be assuming the worst here. I will reveal the results soon, hoping for a few more honest opinions

as played.........this is a must shove post flop. the only way we can fold here is if we absolutely know that one of our V's has AA. that is the only way.

everyone has already beat you up about the your 3-bet, so I will not worry about that. but I do like you flatting the 40 and getting V1 to come along. that was nice.

Do I think that V2 really has AA here?.....noooooooo. not at all. with as splashy as that game sounds, he is counting on someone 3 betting over the 4 preflop so that he can pop it again after the 3 bet. that is just way too risky.

push and count your money.

V2 did not limp reraise as stated in the OP.

I would of got this in pre/5bet. I dont think V2 is ever folding and we dominate many hands he does this with and will call it off pre. AP Im getting it in OTF and then asking myself why I played it so bad pre regardless of the results.

The 3 bet size has already been covered.

I have to say though that at 1/1 against all but the most aggressive players I am never flatting KK pre. Ever. It just invites A-rag to call or smaller pairs to setmine your ass and destroy your soul. Whether or not they are getting the correct price. Sounds silly but 140BB isn't that deep for 1/1 and to flat for 40BB is just inviting trouble. Hence your "tough" decision on the flop that you now ask us.

Instead of trying to be sneaky and get $27 off V1, I shove (5-betting to 80+ seems silly and obvious) and either get $100 from V2 in the middle with hopefully very decent equity or take down the $66 now uncontested and move on. Who knows, V1 might call anyway.

As played you have no real decision. If you ain't shoving/calling a J high dry board then why flat pre? really?

A hero fold here might make you feel great if the guy turns over Jacks or Aces but in the long run it means you made two bad decisions instead of one.

GII pre, GII OTF. Lose that money!! GL

Finally.... I reckon V1 has AJ/KJ and V2 has QQ and you get sucked out on!!.....results?

Results soon my friend Excellent analysis I understand your points and think my lack of a large PF 3b left me unable to properly qualify my villians ranges. Here I sat confused on if he was following through with a blown ISO play and instantly assumed I must be behind because of all the aggression shown on such a passive table(even if the aggression was smaller than it should be). Felt natural to assume the worst, but I absolutely agree that flatting the PF and then folding this type of flop is a losing proposition in the long run! Thanks for the kind words and not ripping me to hard

I ended up folding in this spot, and now understand that this was indeed a mistake long term. I felt this was a good fold at the time, considering how the dynamic of the table changed so dramatically. V1 snapped off with 97 (said "I figured I couldn't be to far behind considering the backdoor draw" LOLOL) V2 had AA and was borderline sick when I showed my fold. Obviously at the time I was extremely proud of the fold, and made myself believe it was the right decision because of the results. Thank you guys for the insight, I definitely went about this hand poorly in retrospect and will lose much more than I win 3b folding to such favorable flops!!

Showing was worse than folding, imo. You play in a small pool and <yougunnagetraped.gif> by any aggressive players in this game after showing that level of MUBS.

Really? I found the next couple bluffs quite easy and didn't experience any aggression at all EVER on this table despite this one specific hand. That is the reason it stood out so prodominently in the moment....because it truly was the ONLY time a pot has developed with this sort of aggression. Obviously I have plenty to learn, I am prodominently a break even online player trying to learn LIVE

well the good news is if you are a break even online player you should do fairly well in live.

I would have got it in pre, that was a sick way to play AA...i think he made a good play without even knowing it lol.

Usually I spend the first 2 orbits deciding who to avoid....and this was the guy I figured was the strongest player. I believe his play was a little odd considering the overlimp PF and then the BIG raise after myself and V1 showed such strength. This is the only reason I personally figured I was behind....I could not come up with a hand I was beating that would have played that way preflop. Literally not one hand seemed to apply, (maybe QQ) and I didn't think he was physically capable of bluffing this big (esp considering V1 was almost always calling....it was that obvious!!). With all that said, I can't disagree with YAGSIRIS....this is a long term losing play that happened to work out once!

I'm curious about the thoughts I should be considering once the flop comes and the action goes BET, followed by ALL IN... 100BB behind, why should I be so willing to stack off with a single pair?! I get that this flop was quite favorable....but doesn't the fact that it is SOOOO DRRYYYY accentuate the fact that I'm likely behind. I could see a draw heavy board being semi bluffs or such on such a loose/passive table, but when the board is so dry....shouldn't I lean more towards sets and AA then any other time? Did I just overestimate ranges and happen to get "lucky" with my fold? Should I really be so quick to just shove here anytime I have overpairs on dry boards....